Why choose Rice University?

So I won’t go into details, but basically I’m going back and forth between UT and Rice.
I had set my mind on UT and a few days later received my Rice financial aid packet. To my surprise, the cost of going to Rice University is now cheaper than that of UT’s (because of Trustee scholarship + FAFSA).
I had visited Rice before, stayed over night…felt a little sad so didn’t stay over night the second night. I won’t go into details, but I just want to know…

Why did YOU choose Rice?

  • were you deciding between Rice and other schools & what made you ultimately decide on Rice?
    -why do you think you are happy at Rice?
    -what major?
    -opportunities you’ve had at Rice?
    -did you come in with any friends/how often do you visit your family?
    -did you know you liked the ‘small’ environment at Rice…or were you choosing between big vs small, like UT vs Rice?
    pros and cons of Rice*
    -clubs/activities you are in at Rice
    -your daily ‘schedule’?
    -stress levels?

Answer whichever you like or just give me an overall reason for why you chose Rice.***

THANK you so much.
I just want to know other people’s experiences at Rice. Be 100% honest…whatever you are feeling, just type it.

(I’m doing Mechanical Engineering by the way)

Also…any comments on Houston? pros/cons?

You have some good choices. I am not a current student, I am a faculty member at Rice but I went to UT as an undergrad. I have great memories overall of my experience at UT, partly because I met my wife there, loved the big time athletics, the college town feel where you are surrounded by young students, the sites and sounds of the city of Austin. What I did not like was the impersonal survival of the fittest environment and feeling if I dropped out, no one would notice or care. Large auditorium classes taught by professors doing the same lecture they had done for years with indifferent TA’s who may or may not have a command of the English language. Rice is much smaller, has a much stronger support system and Hogwarts feel to it and the network is strong in that reaching out to a Rice graduate is welcomed. I could reach out to a UT graduate, but we were a dime a dozen, where Rice alum membership is like an exclusive club. You have over 10,000 students in your graduating class as opposed to 950. The truth is that if you are smart enough to get into Rice and get a large scholarship, you are exceptional and you will be exceptional anywhere you go. The honors colleges at UT give you advantage over the regular student as you are in a smaller cohort of students. Long term there is going to be more perceived prestige in the state of Texas and the south throughout your life with a mechanical engineering degree from Rice. Don’t take my word for it - tell an adult from Texas who does not already know where you got in that you have been accepted to Texas. You will get a congratulations. Then tell them you also got into Rice - you will notice a subtle or pronounced difference in their reaction. My friends at Texas that got out with Mech E are doing just fine and if you are hard working and brilliant you are going to be fine long term either way. If your education and the support you will get both academically and socially are important to you, go to Rice. Normally Texas is cheaper so you have to weigh a cost/benefit analysis, but in your case, the price favors Rice. Frankly some of the factors that drove me to Texas as an 18 year old guy were good academics, great facilities (by the way Rice has come a long way since then to offer work out and state of the art facilities) the music scene, the capital and lots of pretty girls on campus (due to student population, this is obviously lower at Rice). All those benefits still exist. You are on an oasis at Rice but outside of the hedges it is a city. That is both good and bad depending on whether or not you want to live in a place with a college town feel. In Houston, you have the amenities of a big city (museums, symphony, major league sports, lots of Fortune 500 companies (Rice pedigree is major plus during recruiting), all the good bands come where Austin has the all the same bands, college sports and some pretty fun game days, a growing number of industries (but more competition locally for those internships because of the numbers) and the feeling that if you go off campus to a park or concert you are going to be surrounded by a greater percentage of students/young people. Austin definitely has that college town feel to it. Hope this helps.

Hi OP, I followed your other thread and before going any further, I want to say that in the end, it is YOUR decision (and your family’s). Good practice for listening to other people’s (informed!) decisions, while discerning what is best for YOU. That is why I stopped posting on your Val thread. It sounded like you were getting overwhelmed with opinions.

Since you have opened this thread specifically about Rice, I do want to share a thought.

Other posters have more experience, esp regarding STEM and engineering careers. Many of them seem to feel that you can reasonably expect to pay off a moderate amount of loans. My comment stems from concern about the financial challenges along the way.

If I remember correctly (I apologize if I am wrong!) your family will not be contributing much? I relate to this as a parent. There will be many, many expenses – a laptop, books, fees, bedding…

It is true that for a school which is far superior in your area of study, it may be worth it to take on more loans. I don’t disagree, and I also realize that for certain careers, maybe including yours, a higher debt is not as problematic. For others, it is risky ( I say this as the mom of a kid studying social work :slight_smile: Some families, including ours, don’t have a lot of capital handy, and even seemingly small discrepancies should be considered.

Be sure you have run figures on ALL FOUR YEARS at both Rice and UT, allowing for siblings entering/leaving college.

@smgc1210 Yes, that definitely helps A LOT!!! I love the fact that you have experienced both! UT as a student and Rice as faculty! That’s perfect because you are, in a way, unbiased. I keep hearing about Rice’s small size being an advantage academically and probably socially. However, I am still not sure if I prefer the large or small environment socially. I have the feeling that I rather be the small fish in the big pond at UT. However, I also don’t want to feel too much like a number, which I know is a definite at UT. But maybe if I join the right organizations and clubs, I won’t feel that way too much. I honestly am just struggling with my own personal preferences. I can’t see myself at a very small University. I think I might feel a bit ‘imprisoned/isolated,’ if that makes any sense. While at UT I will feel more comfort surrounded by thousands and thousands of other students (and friends from back home). It’s a pretty tough decision, but your advice is absolutely perfect. Thank you SO much.
If you think of any other pros/cons of each school, please let me know…no matter how insignificant you think it would be.
Also…if you could go back to your 18 year old self and you got accepted to Rice…would you choose Rice over UT with what you know now?
That is probably too difficult a question, but I was just wondering. And if so, why?
Well, actually…never mind, I know the answer. I just remembered you said you had an overall great experience and you met your wife there. I probably wouldn’t change that for anything haha, especially because now you’re living the best of both worlds as a former UT student and current Rice faculty member.

Thanks for everything.

@momcinco Thank you so so so so much!!! I really am working hard right now at applying for scholarships, something I will do every year of college (wherever I end up at) to make sure most costs are covered, leaving very little if anything for my parents to pay.
I truly appreciate your advice and am taking it into great consideration. Thank you!!

Just a counter opinion. I think if you were to ask a lot of engineers in Texas who are hiring people, they would prefer a UT graduate. There are also a lot more engineers in Texas who graduated from UT than from Rice. The UT alumni network is pretty incredible. And I know for a fact that UT profs are instrumental in finding jobs for their students. My dad has probably placed thousands of kids in good jobs all over the state. A lot of his ex-students are heads of big engineering firms. Every year, they call my dad to ask for recommendations.

@MaineLonghorn That’s exactly what I was talking to my brother (Aggie) about just a while ago…The UT & A&M alumni network is HUGE. Getting a job/internship would definitely be more than feasible.
However, as my mom likes to point out…Rice has prestige. Although that might be a good point, I’m not sure why it would be.

It would give you bragging rights while you’re in college, with people who aren’t hiring engineers. But your end goal is a 40-year career, not a 4-year college. And you will get a world class education at UT, anyway. Look at how many faculty members belong to the National Academy of Engineering. And they DO care about the students. You won’t be just a number in your advanced engineering classes.

If you were going into civil or architectural engineering, I would ask my dad to show you around campus. He has done that for other students on CC I’ve contacted him about. You could always call the ME department and ask to meet with an ME prof. They could give you more details about the opportunities that you would have. My son was able to do research in biomedical engineering as a FRESHMAN. He ended up falling ill, so he couldn’t finish college, but I was impressed with BME that year.

Trust me, the Rice degree opens doors. I am not saying that UT and A&M don’t, I am saying that to suggest that the network that the Aggies and Longhorns trumps the opportunities that Rice graduates have is open to debate. All I know is we have plenty of recruiters on campus for engineers every semester and Rice engineering students are not graduating worrying about getting jobs. I am on the phone all the time lining up information interviews, shadows, internships, passing along resumes etc, just as any decent professor at any college should be doing. As I said before, someone of your caliber is going to fine no matter what. It just comes down to which environment is best for YOU.

Thank you both so much!!! ^^^ I really appreciate the responses/ advice & am taking everything I receive into great consideration!!!

I find this actually comical. I honestly don’t understand why anyone would compare UT Austin vs. Rice - they are totally different in every way. The SIZE and price alone are the biggest differences but in this case Rice will cost even less is a unbelievable. A rarity! In my opinion - you get what you pay for. You are getting a $60k+ education from Rice. That’s what most students pay to attend Rice (I believe over 70% are full pay). I can tell you without a doubt many UT students wish they could attend Rice. It is so incredibly hard to get into Rice. A family friend went to A&M and told my D if you can get into Rice, definitely attend. He attended A&M - chemical engineering. He said he was taught in huge auditoriums by TA’s and said that was a rip off. He ended up teaching himself and never attended classes. He only showed up for the exams! That’s terrible. He said he would never let his children go to a state university. State universities today are large because they rely on state funding and they accept as many as they can. Then they slowly weed them out as they lose their funding. Another family friend that attended UT Austin - petroleum engineer said EVERY CLASS was a weed out class. Rice doesn’t have weed out classes which is a HUGE difference.

My H, who attended UT Austin, even told me he had to go through 2 TA’s to get permission to see the professor. Once he received permission, he stood in line for 1 hour for only 5 minutes of the professors time. Yes, that was at UT Austin. My son never had to get permission and none of the SMU courses were taught by TA’s. One time my son fell asleep and missed his final and his professor called him asking him what happened… he told him to come to his office to take the exam. That was so kind and unbelievable. My H told me that would never happen at UT - he would have gotten a 0.

Why does it cost more? Its because it is a private university with smaller students and they don’t get funding from the state. They definitely offer the similar things that UT offers but with less students 3,000 vs. 50,000.

You should be comparing the total costs before aid - not after. You received a HUGE gift from Rice. Are you ready to take classes with 500+ students that is taught by TA’s (grad students in training) at UT? Rice gives you much more than UT would simply because you aren’t a number in a rat race. You will have practically everything available to you.

As far as jobs go, if you graduate in engineering you will definitely find a job. That isn’t an issue at either college. Engineering grads are highly sought after. Just so you know engineering, Architecture and medicine are the three hardest fields of study and they tend to have high drop out rates so you should have a back up plan in case you change majors. It is harder to major in anything at UT. You have to apply to the college after you’ve been accepted. So changing majors isn’t easy at UT. What that means is you can easily major in anything you’d like at Rice. You can also take any course you’d like. There aren’t rules where you may have to take every GEC course before you can start taking classes in your major (that’s a rule A&M). I don’t know if that happens at UT but the point is things aren’t as rigid at Rice.

So this brings up my last point - you need to pick the college that makes you the happiest. Happy students are successful students! My son chose SMU because he LOVES SMU (which has 5500 students). He thrived and is now working for the #1 software company in the world. I would attribute his success to SMU - 100%. His engineering professor lived in his dorm and they were fast friends. He became a TA - helping him grade his papers and helped out with tutoring and labs starting his sophomore year. He took 4-5 engineering courses freshman year! He was offered the world - TA, co-ops, internship, research, masters, etc. Its all because of the small tight knit at SMU.

In summary, my advice is you should always pick the college that fits you. None of us know you. Only you do. My vote is Rice but if it doesn’t fit you then it doesn’t matter. If you aren’t happy, you won’t thrive at Rice. If you will be happy being part of UT, then go for it. The Honors program will help but you’ll still have a lot of barriers. You’ll just have to go through it just like the rest but being happy is definitely key.

Just a final note, my H said he would attend UT all over again even though he was treated like a number. He said it was a huge wake up call and that alone was a life lesson. He’s nuts! ha ha. However, he said he wished he could have attended SMU - it way too expensive for him at the time and he’s proud our son graduated from SMU. The ironic thing is now my H is part of SMU Grad school - engineering. Funny! Also, my D is at WashU which is very similar to Rice. She LOVES WashU. When the kids/family are happy, mom is definitely happy! :slight_smile:

Good luck with your decision!! :slight_smile:

Hey, so I’m currently a mechanical engineer at Rice so I can give you somewhat of a realistic perspective of Rice and the major

To start off, I really do enjoy Rice. I actually transferred here and I think it’s a much better place than where I was before. The weather is nice, the student body is amazing, and the community is fantastic.

However, the mechanical engineering department is currently at a low. We recently got a new department chair who’s going to try and fix things, but the previous chair basically let the department sink. Right now we have a big problem with classes being too big (as in, people even have to sit on the floor), basic classes that aren’t offered, visiting lecturers instead of professors teaching classes, conflicting class schedules, and in a nutshell, a shortage of resources of all kinds. The major itself is difficult (though very rewarding), and the issues we’ve been having recently have made things more frustrating than they should be, especially for a top ranked private school that you’re shelling out money for. And to make matters possibly worse, the career center at Rice mainly focuses on oil/gas or consulting companies, so job search has also been somewhat difficult in recent years with the oil crisis and such.

That being said, as terrible as the mechanical engineering department has been, I cannot imagine being at any other place. I find the community here extremely tight and the students here to be truly great people. The campus is absolutely gorgeous so even on a bad day, there are still reasons to see good in things. Classes aren’t the greatest but spending the other 4/5 of your time with things that you do find appealing makes it worth the headache. As you would expect in a highly ranked school, the workload and stress can be pretty high, but your peers, the campus resourses, and professors (albeit just a few for mechanical engineering) can all be extremely helpful.

To me it’s a no-brainer: Rice

Some of the advantages of Rice:

  • Smaller classes
  • Fewer TAs
  • More overall academic prestige
  • Greater access to professors
  • (lucky for you…) Lower price

Some of the advantages of UT:

  • Anonymity (if you want that)
  • Bigger sports scene
  • Bevo

Consider the cities, Houston and Austin.

Also consider campus crime rates if they are disparate.

Finally, consider the quality of the food and dorms: you’ll be there for at least four years. Food and sleep quality count! :slight_smile:

@newjersey17 Thank you sooooo much for that!!! Well…I ended up choosing UT (although I still have 2 days to change my mind). I am DEFINITELY nervous about the TA/professor/large classes…but, I know there are also lots of tutoring available at UT, especially if I join organizations such as equal opportunity/ first interest groups/society of women engineers.
I wish I could just look into the future and see which school I would be happier in (short and long term). But, for now, I’m going based off what I felt when I visited…and what I felt was that UT was the happier school for me. It’s scary to think that I might be making the wrong decision, but in the end…I’ll just think about it in this way: I will make the best of UT that I possibly can. There are no wrong decisions because both are great schools. If UT lacks in the small feel/ professor availability, then I will join organizations / tutoring to get ahead in my classes and to achieve that close-knit feeling.
Hopefully things will all work out in the end. Thank you so much…I’m glad your husband said he would repeat UT in the end.

@ChiGuy123 Thank you so much for the honest input! I just now read about the ME difficulty at Rice: http://www.ricethresher.org/article/2016/04/mech-department-faces-questions

Hopefully I will end up loving UT as much as you love Rice! What you said is correct…you have to see the good in things. I will try to make the best out of UT that I possibly can.

Thank you so much for your response!!! And I’m very glad that you are happy at your school. That’s my biggest wish…that I will be happy at mine.

@babz123 Congrats on your decision!!! Yay!!! :slight_smile: