<p>Coolbrezze continues to become more absurd each day. ::shakes my head::</p>
<p>Thesaiyans666–you sound like the folks around Cambridge who like to say Harvard is just another school. And make as much sense.</p>
<p>Despite our differences and collegiate allegiance based on school pride or even facts, we should ‘somehow’ all get along here on the CC community and be considerate or others’ feeling. I am actually guilty as charge on putting down some of the UC campuses vs. the Big Ten. Therefore, my apology as well for not being constructive, and to those I inadvertently offended… =.="</p>
<p>Heck, if an Ohio State alumnus and Michigan alumni could co-exist on this board, NOTHING is impossible!!</p>
<p>PS. Coolbrezze, you should have stayed in E. Lansing (MSU) imho even though Iowa seems to be a great fit for you as well!! :)</p>
<p>Back to my seat… ;p</p>
<p>@barrons:
Harvard IS just another school. Read any of Barron’s college hand book. Interviews with student alums themselves feel awkward about dropping the “H bomb.” They themselves insist its just another school. A really good school. You need a reality check.</p>
<p>It is truly a blessing that many of you are extremely intelligent and bright to have attended or are attending some of the finest colleges in America. And while I am not qualified to be a mediator on this board, I sincerely believe that we all have much to learn in terms of mastering the art of communication, which in my view should certainly facilitate us to achieve that next-level in our respective career. Back to why U.S. News dissed University of Michigan? Anyone?</p>
<p>PS. UCB finished all the popcorns!!! lol</p>
<p>Thesaiyans666–no, I’m not the one that needs a reality check. There is hardly a person you could find who actually works in a university that would say UCB is just some local school in Norcal. That statement was absurd. And that would start with most of the folks at Stanford right over to MIT. I’d love you to say that to some senior folks at MIT–they would laugh in your face.</p>
<p>
It’s easy to rattle off numbers Alex without understanding them in context. How many of these hires for these banks were for front office positions (IB and S&T) and how many of them were for middle/back office (Operations, Compliance and IT/Technology)? Private universities like Dartmouth and Columbia who don’t have business schools don’t compile and release data about recent hires in an easy-to-use manner like business schools at places like Penn. UCB and Michigan do unfortunately. However, after talking to dozens of people in high level positions at these banks, making observations through my own professional experience and hearing the input of dozens of INFORMED users like hmom who are more knowledgeable than you are, it is clear that the Wall Street pecking order goes something like:</p>
<p>HYP and Penn
Columbia, Dartmouth, Duke and Stanford
Cornell and MIT
etc. etc.</p>
<p>Those are 10 schools right there that are UNDISPUTABLY more recruited on Wall Street than Michigan. This is not to even mention schools like Northwestern, Chicago, UVA, UCB, Tufts, Georgetown, etc. that are probably on par or slightly better than UMich.</p>
<p>Look, I think Michigan is a top school and it is definitely “first rate”, whatever that means. I don’t think it is an elite school however because it lags behind the top privates in every conceivable measure besides academic quality like student selectivity, financial resources, financial aid, class size/student-to-faculty ratio, postgraduate placement into fellowships/top grad schools/top jobs and advising.</p>
<p>When your university cares as much about academics as it does about football, then I think US News will reconsider UMich’s rankings.</p>
<p>jk.</p>
<p>Post #56: “When your university cares as much about academics as it does about football, then I think US News will reconsider UMich’s rankings.”</p>
<p>With that statement, you’re either deliberately trying to be provocative, or you’re profoundly uninformed about universities.</p>
<p>US News will reconsider? Since when is a magazine merchandizer a credible arbiter of academia?</p>
<p>oh coolbreeze, you never fail to amuse me. 
remember when bearcats bashed you regarding your grammar? you don’t wanna go through this a second time…I think.</p>
<p>lesdiablesbleus -
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<p>Perhaps, but that’s actually because most of the Michigan business majors are - I echo Alexandre here - working to get into a good usiness school. Many are specifically aiming for the Ross School of Business, which is, in fact, in the nation’s top grad school programs. In terms of pecking order (according to US News, anyway), business grad schools are Harvard, Stanford, MIT (Sloan), Northwestern (Kellogg), UChicago (Booth), UPenn (Wharton), Dartmouth (Tuck), Cal-Berkeley (Haas), Columbia, NYU (Stern), Yale, and Michigan (Ross). So Michigan’s business programs are ranked at #12, followed by UVA (13), Duke (14), CMU, Texas, and - at #18 - Cornell. So I’m not sure what you’re saying about those ten being indisputably more in-demand than Michigan, because the actual rank of the business schools alone seems to be slightly different.</p>
<p>Michigan students and Alum in general have too much pride = Gotta love Michigan!!!</p>
<p>Actually, you’d be pretty surprised how few Michigan grads there are at most of the top firms on wall street when compared to even lower ranked schools that are located in the northeast (BC, NYU, Fordham/BU/Northeastern, etc.). Michigan is a great school, but I wouldn’t start throwing wall street placement stats out of undergrad into the picture.</p>
<p>The idea that Wall Street should be a standard for anything is repugnant on its face. It’s like making a huge whore house the standard.</p>
<p>It’s not exactly a badge of honor that Wall St. firms prefer to hire from the Ivies. In real world terms, the Ivy grads that run Wall St. are incompetent.
[Why</a> Harvard is bad for Wall Street. - By Daniel Gross - Slate Magazine](<a href=“http://www.slate.com/id/2109982]Why”>Why Harvard is bad for Wall Street.)</p>
<p>[Harvard</a> narcissists with MBAs killed Wall Street - Banking & Finance - ArabianBusiness.com](<a href=“http://www.arabianbusiness.com/547322-harvard-narcissists-with-mbas-killed-wall-street]Harvard”>http://www.arabianbusiness.com/547322-harvard-narcissists-with-mbas-killed-wall-street)</p>
<p>[Harvard’s</a> masters of the apocalypse - Times Online](<a href=“The Times & The Sunday Times: breaking news & today's latest headlines”>The Times & The Sunday Times: breaking news & today's latest headlines)</p>
<p>[Economic</a> Meltdown Bankers ? Harvard MBA, Stern School of Business ? Business School | wowOwow](<a href=“http://www.wowowow.com/post/mbas-meltdown-which-schools-produced-economic-tsunami-224487]Economic”>The MBAs of the Meltdown – Where Did Those Bankers Go to Business School? - wowOwow)</p>
<p>AS an out of state person trying to get into University of Michigan I see no harm of Michigan accepting more people :p</p>
<p>I don’t need Michigan to be in top 10 to know its good, I think as long as its on top 100 any school is good. </p>
<p>And I welcome them in being nicer on applicants, I have heard OOS is hard to get into</p>
<p>Even with its high acceptance rate (50%), Michigan isn’t sacrificing the quality of students that it admits.</p>
<p>LSA
AVG GPA:3.8
AVG ACT: 29</p>
<p>Engineering
AVG GPA: 3.9
AVG ACT: 31</p>
<p>Ross
AVG GPA: 4.11
AVG ACT: 33</p>
<p>lesdiablesbleus, you either have no clue about Wall Street recruitment or you deliberately lie. I know for a fact that on average, Ross is among the top 10 hunting grounds for front office jobs at BB IBanks, with only Harvard, Princeton and Wharton having an appreciable upper hand. No other program or university is more aggressively recruited for front office jobs. Like I said, if you have actual stats that prove otherwise, share them with us.</p>
<p>Yes, Ross is excellent. I don’t understand lesdiablesbles’s argument…</p>
<p>btw, Alexandre, did you see the new thread I created on PA scores?</p>
<p>I think Ross is a great business school. Yale was the most represented school at Barclays this year so I don’t understand why people think it isn’t a major feeder to banks. Michigan Ross is a notch or two below schools like Columbia, Dartmouth, Duke, Stanford, Yale and possibly NYU as well.</p>