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^yeah, it's not a coincidence that most of the guys who hang out and play cards back at the dorm are short guys. My short friends aren't doomed, but they get way fewer opportunities.</p>
<p>And I have 6'4 friends who are ugly and have no difficulty.</p>
<p>I'm not blaming women, either. But let's be real.
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<p>it's more a confidence issue than anything. short guys have lower confidence which would explain why there is a correlation. I know confident short guys (one's 5'8" and one's 5'6") and it's unbelievable how easily they get women interested in them.</p>
<p>mind you, there are chicks who don't want anything to do with shorter guys, but they're a minority. i don't think that height is a big issue. It's something that can attract women if you're tall, but isn't a big deal if you don't have it. I always see guys who are a bit shorter than average with hot women. Although they're almost always good looking and confident.</p>
<p>^ russell was spot on with that last post. i agree very short guys have a right to complain, but if you're just a little short, then chances are there's something else keeping the girls away. also, i was just on the subway an i noticed a short dude making out with a taller girl (couldn't see his face, but I assume he was hot) and it made me think of this. then again, I also saw a hobo with a giant trash bag stuffed with god knows what, so... :D</p>
<p>i'm about average and i'd date a guy 5'6 and up. my boyfriend's almost 6'4 and some of my shorter friends say that's too tall for them, because he towers over everyone. and shorter women don't want giants, so stop exaggerating.</p>
<p>Dionte Christmas: We go to the same school and I have never been rejected by women for the basis of my height (5.9'.5"). Maybe its because you hang around women who hang around athletes?? Haha. I see a lot of guys 5'7"+ with girls.</p>
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Nah, cause we don't want to break our backs looking up at tall men, and they don't want to become hunchbacks trying to make eye contact with us Guys prefer taller women, as evidenced by that thread - even the average guys wanted tall women. yeah but anyway, the point is, everyone has things they don't like about their body, unless they're VERY attractive, and even then they'll still see flaws in themselves. So think about the stuff you can change, and not the stuff you can't.
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<p>My 5'2'' gf doesn't seem to mind looking up to me... and I'm 6'2''.</p>
<p>^well...to be be fair, she's only 2 inches under average...I bet if she was 4'10 like my cousin, she'd feel differently (she says she prefers smaller guys). my boyfriend (who I showed this thread to btw, and he laughed because he loves being a tower) is a foot taller than me and I don't mind either.</p>
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Dionte Christmas: We go to the same school and I have never been rejected by women for the basis of my height (5.9'.5"). Maybe its because you hang around women who hang around athletes?? Haha. I see a lot of guys 5'7"+ with girls.
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<p>Nah, it's probably because they all drool over the basketball players, even though they have no chance. I wasn't just talking about at TU, though.</p>
<p>Most of my shorter girl friends date guys that are shorter. My friend Danielle is 5'3" and her boyfriend is like 5'6". One of her exes is about 5'8" and the other was slightly taller than me (I'm 5'9ish).
I have a guy friend who is like, 5'4-5'5" and he gets girls all the time because he's a really cool person and very confident in himself. I actually agree with Russell on this that short guys are less confident in general and THIS is probably why they don't get girls, NOT because girls are shallow and want really tall guys.
Granted, I am much taller than girl-average but I would date pretty much anyone my height or taller. Most of my guy friends are around my height or shorter, I have very few who are more than an inch or two taller than me. I'd say being a (relatively) short guy is about the same as being a taller girl, like myself, in terms of dating chances. Sure I've got a part of the population out of my range, but if I don't have much trouble getting a date then neither should a semi-short guy (I'm talking 5'6"+ here, guys who are still taller than avg girls). I'm the same height as the avg male and I'm doing okay, and I definitely wouldn't say I am celebrity hot or anything either (lol I think Russell probably thinks I'm fat), so... maybe just stop being such a whiny brat about and deal.</p>
<p>mcb: WHO told you?! Spidey is merely a close friend of mine.</p>
<p>But yeah, I told MJ to dye her hair and lose a few more pounds or I'm dumping her ass. I'm kinda demanding like that.</p>
<p>Anyhooo, I know two very short guys who are very successful with women. They probably don't even think about their heights as obstacles. And they're landing some very, very hot babes. It's all about charisma and confidence, really. Maybe they look good, too, I don't know. But yeah, I almost always see them with girls much taller than them, too. One must have gone out with a girl 6'0 tall, absolutely smoking hot. So are they the exception? Possibly, because most guys in general simply suck, regardless of height. They don't jump up and down like a lap dog everytime a hot girl walks by, gravelling and begging for her puss simply because they like her looks.</p>
<p>I know a really short man, like 5'0 who is married to a tall lady who is about 5'7 and they recently had their second child. They're both good looking though, but not in a way that intimidates anyone or look like models. He is a friendly guy, but not especially charming.
I'm just saying that it is possible for a short guy to get a tall girl.</p>
<p>BTW, if you don't even want to befriend an ugly or fat girl, why should a tall, pretty girl give you the time of day? I'm not saying you should settle for those girls and I understand that everyone has preferences, but your attitude probably comes off as if you're too good for certain people and it makes you standoffish.
Also, I'm not a fat or ugly girl and I don't care about defending the fatties or the uglies, I'm just saying that if you don't want others to look down on you, return the favor.</p>
<p>I'm 5'1." It would be difficult for me to find a guy shorter than I am. However, when I went out today in my highest heels, a guy I was talking to was shorter than I, and I felt guilty for wearing them. I think if I dated a short guy, I'd never wear heels, because I'd feel guilty. I'm supposed to be the small one. I don't think all women have to be that way, so it's not a gender role thing. I'm taller than one person I'm close too, and even that's is only by an inch. I just don't feel like I'm made to tower over people. It makes me feel uncomfortable. When I wear heels and tower over my one short friend, I feel awkward. I have great posture (a dancer, and my mother used to kill me over the slightest wrong in that arena) but I purposely stoop if I'm with her in heels. I'm just not made for it.
I also think it's because I like/am used to feeling tiny. When a guy makes me feel really, really small I feel very comfortable around him. I guess I feel like a child looking up at my father (who, by the way, is 6'2." My family members are tall. I'm the tiny shorty). But I still don't like really broad guys. They scare me.
Also, my shortness is the defining physical characteristic I most like. My family members pick me out for being short. My brother, who is 6'1," has always called me "Shorty" in his Alabama accent I can never imitate. My siblings also made fun of me for being way lighter than they, but I never liked that. So, if I don't feel short, I don't feel like me.</p>
<p>^ So...you enjoy being made fun of for being small? that's kinda unusual. I'm 5'1" also, but i'm Asian so it's typical and all the women in my family are short, but my dad is kinda tall. My friend's tease me sometimes for being short, but not light - most girls want to be light - and i always wished I was average height. I've never met anyone who enjoys being tiny and likes to feel like a child looking up at people. I have friend's/family who are shorter than I am, but I sure don't stoop to be on eye level with them - how would you feel if everyone in your family stooped down to talk to you? I think it's kind of demeaning.</p>
<p>Lakrosse, girls probably don't like you not because you are short, but because you are rude and a complainer. Like many people said before me, many girls aren't turned off by shorter guys. One of my friends recently began dating a guy who is her height, and she always said she had to date someone at least six inches taller than her. Personality does matter.</p>
<p>I hope you're kidding TA3021. height has far less of a correlation between how tall one is than eating and weight. MAYBE it could make a difference of an inch or two, so I'd be 5'4'', but if a person doesn't work out and is shoving his/her face day in and day out, he/she is going to be a fat. There are many a kids who did not eat balanced diets or fat kids who grow to be "manly" heights of 6 foot or above, but not many short guys who work out and get taller(and no growth does not get stunted, science has shown). There is no comparison. I think woami has a good point, but I am very outgoing, down for any party, not afraid of going up to anyone, and can crack a clever joke from time to time. Where's my reward?</p>
<p>^ My point is that people are probably assuming that you're short for that reason, whether it is true or not just like you're assuming that fat people are fat just because they're lazy and gluttonous.
Even if every fat person was fat because they're a total glutton, everyone has their flaws. It is just that some flaws are more obvious than others. When I mention flaws, I don't mean only physical flaws, but emotional and mental ones as well, some which can be more detrimental than being fat.
Unless one is perfect, one should not be judgmental.</p>
<p>actually TA, since being fat is begotten by the merit of their bodies generally by lack of exercise, if one has the merit of being thin because he/she works out, he has a right to say something about fat people. Height has nothing to do with merit, but luck or misfortune, which are based not on merit. If I work hard for money and my co-worker, who slacks off and doesn't work hard, I have a right to criticize him. Even if I have less money than he does, which he in this example inherited, I may criticize him. Same goes for the scenario of me being a fit guy, shorter but fit, not wanting to go out with fat girls.</p>
<p>Unless you're a doctor, you can't judge whether someone is at an unhealthy weight because of medical reasons, genetics, overeating to lull their personal problems/stress or gluttonous laziness.</p>
<p>I'm not saying that you should give fat girls a chance, but people notice vibes when you look down on others and that's probably why you're having problems making friends. Maybe you try too hard when it comes to making friends with the "right" people and it shows.</p>
<p>TA, very few people who look like pumpkins are so because of purely genetics or faulty thyroid. This is why so many people are able to successfully lose weight. Also, when have you once bemoaned against the discrimination of short people on something there is zero control over? Seems like you want to continue the engaging of discrimination against an invariable involuntary trait as does a lot of society for some reason. This is something I really wanna know: why does society feel bad for fat people, but laughs at short people?</p>
<p>I'm not discriminating against short people. How exactly are you discriminated against? I do not look down on short people or even base their whole identity on being short. I give them a chance and act personable towards them out of respect.
Every physical flaw, involuntary or not gets made fun of. That's life. The ugly people that you and others don't want to associate with, can say that they are dealing with 'lookism' just like you're dealing with 'heightism'. You can either complain about it or accept it and move on with your life. There are very short men who are popular and get dates with taller women, many people here have already mentioned examples that they have seen in their personal lives.
Just like no one should be forced to date a fat or ugly girl out of pity, no one should be forced to date you out of pity. People are attracted to who they are attracted to and the only thing they owe you is kindness unless you're a jerk first.
Fat people get laughed at more than short people. Not as many people feel sorry for short people because they're not as viciously teased or looked down on. A charming short person will gravitate towards more people than a charming fat person. Whether it is one's fault for being fat or not, no one is perfect and you can't judge unless you know every single fat person ever as well as you know yourself unless they are affecting you in some way, and I don't mean a reason like they're an "eye sore" either.</p>