<p>I've noticed that a lot of public flagships have undergrad biz schools, while many Ivys don't... why is that?</p>
<p>Not only Ivies, but very few top B (grad) schools have undergrad biz programs.</p>
<p>^ lol. yeah, i noticed that too. ???</p>
<p>Because those Ivies are more liberal artsy… so Economics is better for them to focus on.</p>
<p>B/c undergraduate business schools are a recent phenomenon. Believe or not, once upon a time undergraduate education was for the sake of learning.</p>
<p>Same answer as your post on engineering–the teach few ‘trades.’</p>
<p>Not liberal arts, not part of the traditional curriculum and area covered by colleges, therefore, disproportionately not represented at the oldest schools in the country.</p>
<p>Engineering has been around for a long time bdl108…</p>
<p>In the days before there was a Silicon Valley and the hope of big money, engineering held little interest to the average ivy student. It’s still not big at them, especially after the dotcom bust. Most of those studying engineering at top colleges do not take typical engineering jobs. One third of MIT grads in recent years have gone to Wall Street and many to management consulting.</p>
<p>If you attend a public high school ( mainly within a city) you may be more familer with the term vocational school, which is really in a way my impression of undergraduate buisness school ( and somewhat engineering) eventhough most are difficult to get accepted into. I myself plan to major in economics ( and also major in political science or international relations/ studies), and would suggest that for one going into undergraduate buisness… especially if you plan to attend buisness graduate school ( though I’m not a expert with all of this so I can’t say for sure). If you happen do attend undergraduate buisness school I would still suggest to double major/ minor.</p>
<p>Actually after reviewing wiki, the correct term for undergraduate buisness is vocational school:<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocational_school[/url]”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocational_school</a></p>
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<p>So what you’re saying hmom5 is that because there isn’t a lot of earning potential in engineering compared to other disciplines, most of the Ivy League schools aren’t really interested in expanding and improving this area? And these are supposed to be the top schools in this country?</p>
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<p>No, what hmom said was Ivy students weren’t necessarily looking for an engineering concentration, and even though engineering became more popular when it had a really high earning potential (much like IBanking the last 10 years), that bump was not necessarily a lasting one.</p>
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<p>Vocational education:[Vocational</a> education - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocational_education]Vocational”>Vocational education - Wikipedia)</p>
<p>Vocational education in the United States:<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocational_education_in_the_United_States[/url]”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocational_education_in_the_United_States</a></p>
<p>Also, I’m not saying there is anything wrong with vocational education… many jobs are done by vocational education, I’m just stating that undergraduate buisness school seems more like vocational education offered at a higher institution.</p>
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<p>Well, when even many of the engineering students at schools like MIT and Stanford don’t really want to take engineering jobs, instead preferring jobs in consulting and finance, then that doesn’t exactly provide strong incentive for the Ivies to improve their engineering programs.</p>
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<p>Not as a formal scholastic discipline within the US (or its colonial predecessors). The first US school to offer formal engineering studies was West Point, which was founded in the 1800’s.</p>
<p>The number of engineering majors at Stanford went into free fall following the dot com bust.</p>
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<p>They will never try to be all things to all people. No private school will. The ivies educate some of the top students in the Country. Their goal is to produce thinkers, not kids with trades.</p>
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<p>RPI was first. Then Union. Then Brown, from my understanding.</p>
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<p>I don’t want to join that fracas, as I don’t have a dog in that fight, but you are free to dispute the following point if you so wish. </p>
<p>USMA was our nation’s first school of engineering. It was founded more than two decades before Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute was founded in 1824.</p>
<p>[Nation’s</a> first engineering school](<a href=“http://www.usma.edu/bicentennial/history/FirstESchool.htm]Nation’s”>http://www.usma.edu/bicentennial/history/FirstESchool.htm)</p>
<p>But in any case, no matter how you slice it, the point is that engineering hasn’t been long for this country.</p>
<p>[CR4</a> - Blog Entry: January 3, 1825: America’s First Engineering College Opens](<a href=“http://cr4.globalspec.com/blogentry/860]CR4”>http://cr4.globalspec.com/blogentry/860)
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<p>West Point was founded as a military base by the British in the 1700s, and as such holds the distinction of being the oldest continuously garrisoned fortress in the New World. It became a military academy in 1802 - decades before the founding of even Sandhurst, Britain’s military academy. I don’t know when they started teaching engineering - perhaps right from the start.</p>