Why do undergraduate schools offer degrees that won't get you a job?

<p>for instance:
Anthropology
East Asian Studies
Philosophy
Slavic Languages and Literatures
Classics
Linguistics</p>

<p>These are examples of academic departments in Harvard and Princeton. Who is going to hire someone who studied Anthropology? Why would a company hire a guy right out of undergrad who studied Philosophy in Harvard? Why not offer pre-med programs and business for undergraduate students? How would someone from Harvard who did East Asian Studies get a job? In short, these academic degrees and progams are simply impractical. My question is why?</p>

<p>If all you want is to be directly prepared for a practical career right out of college, go to auto tech school or hairdressing school. </p>

<p>There are plenty of indirect applications for these "impractical" fields of study. My father, for instance, studied Linguistics to the PhD level and now works as a computer programmer for a company that does sophisticated machine translation between languages. Before that he was a programmer for a speech-recognition company. Is his career "in linguistics"? No. Is his major useful in his career? Yes. </p>

<p>Does that answer your question?</p>

<p>A lot of these fields feed graduates into academia, which is a job in itself. And if we're talking about a Harvard graduate, well, employers don't care about his or her major so much as the fact that he or she graduated from Harvard.</p>

<p>I majored in anthropology at Dartmouth and got a job at a top 5 consulting firm and joined my top 5 MBA program after only two years of work experience (much shorter than average). I now work as the youngest exec at my media company. Most of my friends were similar, my art history major friends are two of the most successful businesswomen I know, one works in venture capital, the other in consulting. </p>

<p>If you go to an top school, it almost doesn't matter what you major in. The "elite" companies don't care, they want the top school brand name (Ivies + the top). Its the more "execution oriented" jobs such as advertising sales that look for specific majors. The top jobs don't care. In fact at most of the desired jobs an econ degree from a top school is considered superior to a business degree from anywhere except perhaps Wharton.</p>

<p>Majors do not equal careers. If you do not know that, realize it now. A major in linguistics or anthropology, for example, could lead you into quite a profitable career in advertising.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/college/majors/index.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/college/majors/index.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Even Egyptology majors do well for themselves.
<a href="http://www.brown.edu/Administration/George_Street_Journal/vol23/23GSJ06b.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.brown.edu/Administration/George_Street_Journal/vol23/23GSJ06b.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>The short answer is because they are universities and not vocational schools.</p>

<p>The notion that a college education should also prepare you for a job is a relatively recent idea. For centuries universities mostly prepared well-off young gentlemen to be a scholars and philosophers. For something as mundane as getting job skills you apprenticed yourself to someone already doing that job.</p>

<p>There are many branches of knowledge that produce no particular job opportunities, but that sort of education is all about expanding the mind more than earning a paycheck.</p>

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Why not offer pre-med programs and business for undergraduate students?

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<p>Those options are also available. No one is forcing you to major in Classics if you don't want to.</p>

<p>Anthropology- this can be an excellent field, especially cultural anthro, for someone interested in working in human relations.</p>

<p>East Asian Studies- In case it hasn't been beaten into your head by Thomas L. Friedman and his ilk, East Asia is hot hot hot! Having a grasp on the history and basic trends in the region can be very useful. Trust me, it's my field.</p>

<p>Philosophy- Philosophy majors can usually read and think. 'Nuff said. </p>

<p>Slavic Languages and Literatures- What if you want to work on issues related to Slavs? I'm sure plenty of organizations could use someone with that sort of skill set.</p>

<p>Classics- Being able to read is a skill that seems to be underappreciated on CC.com...</p>

<p>Linguistics- EVERYTHING we do in this world is affected by linguistics. Understanding it is in many ways the key to understanding that which is human.</p>

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Why not offer pre-med programs and business for undergraduate students?

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<p>Because the world isn't only populated by doctors and suits.</p>

<p>The point of a college education is to learn and expand one's mind...not to find a job. It so happens that many companies recruit on university campuses because there is a large concentration of young, eager, intelligent individuals. However, companies do not expect to find finished products on those campuses. Even Business and Engineering majors are far from being "finished". A company will have to indoctorinate those college students no matter what. What companies seek in those young recruits is a keen analytical mind, ambition and leadership ability.</p>

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These are examples of academic departments in Harvard and Princeton. Who is going to hire someone who studied Anthropology? Why would a company hire a guy right out of undergrad who studied Philosophy in Harvard? Why not offer pre-med programs and business for undergraduate students? How would someone from Harvard who did East Asian Studies get a job? In short, these academic degrees and progams are simply impractical. My question is why?

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<p>First off, in the case of Harvard, Princeton, and other elite schools, many companies will hire these grads simply for the brand-name of their school. For example, I know quite a few graduates of various 'impractical' majors at Harvard who were snapped up by high-prestige management consulting or investment banking firms. In these cases, the companies weren't hiring them for what they majored in. They were hiring them because of the Harvard brand-name, which basically signified that having a Harvard degree meant that you were good enough to get into Harvard in the first place. In other words these companies were basically using Harvard as an outsourced HR department. </p>

<p>I'll give you a few examples from the business world. The CEO of IBM, Sam Palmisano, does not have a business degree or an engineering degree. He has a degree in history from Johns Hopkins. Hank Paulson, former CEO of Goldman Sachs and now Secretary of the Treasury, has a bachelor's degree in English from Dartmouth. Carly Fiorina, former CEO of HP, has a bachelor's degree in Medieval History and Philosophy from Stanford. Tom Anderson, founder of Myspace, has a bachelor's degree in English and Rhetoric from Berkeley. Countless other examples exist of people getting 'useless' degrees and then having extremely successful careers.</p>

<p>Part of the issue is that at many of the top schools, many students come from rich, privileged backgrounds. They don't really care what they major in, as they know that once they graduate, they are going to be hooked up by their daddy or their daddy's friends anyway. For example, we all know that George W. Bush was a lackluster student at Yale. But obviously he didn't care because he knew that he was going to get a nice cushy job from his family no matter what he majored in. The same could be said for both John Kerry and Al Gore - both of whom were, at best, mediocre students while at Yale and Harvard respectively. All 3 of these men studied "impractical" majors (Gore studied government, Bush in history, Kerry in political science). But seriously, if you were born into the life of privilege that all 3 of these men were born in, would you have cared what you majored in? All 3 of these guys were basically trust-fund babies.</p>

<p>However, you have touched upon a related issue which is why is it that public schools that don't cater to the rich still often times insist on teaching unremunerative subjects? An Anthropology student from Harvard may get snapped up by Goldman Sachs, but an Anthropology student from SW Missouri State won't be. The latter school has to worry about providing marketable skills to its students, because its students most likely don't have rich parents who are going to hook them up, especially if they are going to use state tax money to do so. If rich people want to spend their own money on an unmarketable degree, that's their business. It's their money, they can do whatever they want. It's quite another matter when you're talking about spending state taxpayer money to subsidize unmarketable degrees. If you're going to use public funds on an educational program, you should ensure that those public funds are actually going to benefit the greater economy by providing marketable skills.</p>

<p>Sakky is spot on.</p>

<p>The truth is many of my "suit" and doctor friends majored in these areas. Sure, it was a little harder as an anthro major to get a consulting job, but it wasn't THAT hard (the easiest route to business jobs seems to be econ at top school). In terms of professional school, you can practically major in anything, my best friend at Penn med was a Philosophy major!</p>

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The truth, however, is many of my "suit" and doctor friends majored in these areas. Sure, it was a little harder for me as an anthro major to get a consulting job, but it wasn't THAT hard (the easiest route to business jobs seems to be econ at top school). In terms of professional school, you can practically major in anything, my best friend at Penn med was a Philosophy major!

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<p>Like I said, when we're talking about the elite schools, graduates from such schools are going to be snapped up by many top employers. Hence, what you major in at those schools is not a serious issue.</p>

<p>But the issue becomes far more complex and interesting when we're talking about no-name schools, especially no-name public schools. I think I have to agree with Master in wondering why such schools insist on spending state taxpayer money in providing unmarketable degree programs.</p>

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All 3 of these men studied "impractical" majors (Gore studied government, Bush in history, Kerry in political science).

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<p>I dunno, I think that their majors were pretty practical for them. Even if none of them really paid attention.</p>

<p>Clearly the only majors colleges should offer are Business, Engineering, and "Pre-Med"</p>

<p>You forgot pre-law.</p>

<p>"pre-law" students should major in business or engineering for maximum marketability</p>

<p>Ah, I see your point. Yes, you're right.</p>

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All 3 of these men studied "impractical" majors (Gore studied government, Bush in history, Kerry in political science). </p>

<p>I dunno, I think that their majors were pretty practical for them. Even if none of them really paid attention.

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<p>The truth is, guys who are born into the world of privilege that these guys were born into could have majored in Underwater Basketweaving and still done very well for themselves.</p>

<p>sakky,</p>

<p>I was TRYING to engage in some wryness, but you have to be all serious and stuff about it. Pfft. Way to go.</p>

<p>And I'll have you know that basket weavers do VERY well on the Hill. Someone needs to carry all the buttons to hand out.</p>

<p>Sakky, you agent provocateur! Don't students at state schools pay tuition just like students at Harvard or Yale? Shouldn't they be able to major in whatever they want? And who gets to decide which degrees are useful and which are not?</p>