<p>and low yield??</p>
<p>I am looking for an easy college for transferring (as well as high in terms of prestige).</p>
<p>is Uchicago a good choice?</p>
<p>First of all, it has a high admittance rate because the application pool is so strong. Nearly everyone who applies is very qualified. That's why the yield rate is somewhat low -- these applicats are also being accepted to the ivies, and are often ending up at those schools instead.</p>
<p>Dude, i'm going to U chicago and it is by far not at all easy. have you heard any of the sayings that come from here? "The place where the only thing that will go down with you is your gpa"? It's a crapload of work, even if you're taking just 3 classes. It's intense, since it's the quarter system, with no room for error. Heck, we make fun of how much work the undergrads at harvard and princeton do. If you want name recognition, go to an ivy. If you want to work your ass off, learn till it starts coming out your ears, or are academically masochistic, come to U of C.</p>
<p>the answer to your question has been discussed in many other threads. the reason the admit rate is so high is because the yield is so low. umrunner is correct when he says that many, if not most of the applicants to uchi are ivy qualified. uchi is often their second choice. when they get accepted by an ivy, they attend that school. uchi understands that they are usually the second or third choice of those particular applicants, and as such, need to admit more of their applicants in proportion to their yield so that they are able to fill their class. the low yield also affects the thinking of the school itself since it must accept students with high stats to maintain their standing as an elite school, uchi does not have the luxury to pick and choose and form a more cohesive and compatible student body like its peer schools. that is why the dean of admissions readily admits that he lets the class form itself unlike other more selective elite schools that accept students with the whole of the class itself in mind. </p>
<p>astrobobocops response is a typical defensive answer to your question about the admit rate of the school. uchi's admit rate has nothing to do with how difficult the classes are at the school or the quality of the education of the school. on the other hand, your characterization of uchi as an "easy" college for transferring is also improper. because uchi is skimming from the ivy pool, they are looking for impressive stats as well as a good essay. i tend to think that they will accept any kid with good stats so long as their essay is not abominable, that does not mean that because they accept 40% they will accept students with subpar gpa's and low sats, far from it. whether uchi is a good choice depends upon what your numbers are and where you are transferring from. if you are currently at an ivy, the welcome mat at uchi is laid out for you. anywhere else, we need numbers to determine what chance you actually have.</p>
<p>is it easy to transfer from Uchicago to an Ivy school, say after the first year?</p>
<p>are you kidding? nothing is ever easy about getting into an ivy. it probably is even more difficult as a transfer. you do know that going to an ivy is not the be all and end all. the be all and end all later in life is how much money you have, not which college you went to. going to an ivy might make it easier to get into a top class law, bus or med school, but you still have to put in the sweat.</p>
<p>UChicago has a very self selective pool. It's one of the top schools in the country, and it takes a certain kind of person to handle the workload and enjoy the school. They're very upfront about that, and so lots of people shy away from the opportunity to go.</p>
<p>filmxoxo: what you say may be true, but what does that have to do with the high acceptance rate and low yield?</p>
<p>Well the high acceptance rate is clearly due to the self selectivity of the pool; if only the best apply, then the school can take more and still have the same quality admit pool as a different school with a lower rate. The low yield I can't fully explain, but would guess it would possibly have to do with the fact that kids talented enough to get into Chicago can also get into Chicago's peer schools, which they may or may not choose over UChicago.</p>
<p>filmxoxo: that's not how it works. only the best applies to yale that doesn't mean that they can accept more, they only accept 10%. they can afford to accept only 10% because their yield is so high. they can still fill their entire class by only accepting 10% of the applicants. uchi can't do that. the reason is because the really qualified apps tha uchi accept, choose to go to someplace more desirable. if uchi only accepted 20% of their apps, their yield would probably be even lower and they would only have about 100 people in their class. why would the yield be lower if they only accepted 20%? because i would assume that the 20% would be the cream of the 40%. the chances are high that it is the top or cream of the 40% that is leaving their uchi acceptance in the circular file. i imagine that it is the less qualified of the 40% acceptance (i said less, people, they are still qualified, just not as luscious as the top 20) that comprise most of uchi's acceptances.</p>
<p>Why are you asking me these questions if you've made up your mind as to the answer?</p>
<p>who's asking you anything? i'm explaining.</p>
<p>Is there someone who is familiar with both U Chicago and Northwestern and can compare the two colleges on any of the following, please:
selectivity
courseload/classes/professors
social life
sense of community
reputation
any other distinguishing factors</p>
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UChicago has far more nationally highly ranked (top 10) departments/faculty than does NU, though NU does have several very good ones.</p>
<p>UChicago's program is far more demanding academically (students work harder) than NU's.</p>
<p>NU has big time (read: Big 10) athletics to help generate campus spirit; UChicago left the Big Ten and thereby made space for Michigan State to join the Big 10 so it could play NU and other sporty colleges.</p>
<p>Why do so few people choose to go to UofC? Why is their yield so low?</p>
<p>OK, I believe that a lot of their accepted candidates go to the ivys. But that doesn't explain why UofC is less desirable than the ivys?</p>
<p>Surely the quality of education is just as good. Is the the prestige factor? The workload? The weather? Maybe an east coast ivy would have more prestigue, but surely the workload is comparable, and the weather is just as awful.</p>
<p>I have the same big question as a couple of posts above: the differences between Northwestern and Chicago.</p>
<p>Also, I intend to major in business - how do both schools perform in that area? Especially that of sending their business students to grad schools</p>
<p>Well, Chicago is the third ranked business school in America (after Tuck and Wharton, ranked by Forbes), and they also have the no. 1 Econ department for undergrad (tied w/ harvard). That being said, they do not have a business major, but do have an Econ major. Northwestern is a terrific school and you could certainly be hired by Goldman if you attended.</p>
<p>As for getting into Business School, I think it more depends on what you've done with your career as well as your GMAT score. So, you might want to invest more in an education (Chicago) than in a name (Northwestern).</p>
<p>They are both great schools, so it really doesn't matter which one you attend. Pick the one that you fit in best.</p>
<p>yield is an indicator of either a student's second choice or in the case of uchi, a safety school for ivy credentialed seniors. yet yield is something that can be manipulated. to uchi's credit, it refuses to engage in such shenanigans. if uchi went to ed, then they would cut out many of the ivy kids that apply to uchi ea as a safety on the off chance they get denied. uchi could also go the harvard route by going scea. by going ed, uchi can accept, say 50% of their incoming class at around 98% yield, then fill the rest of the class rd, which in conjunction with a yield of 34% (i don't actually know what the rd yield is), uchi would be able to increase their overall yield numbers and thus decrease their acceptance rate from its alarmingly high 40%. to do this though may have consequences on a student with marginal stats but really good essays, but then again, that's what community college is for. </p>
<p>regarding the quality of the education, uchi is probably even better than some of the ivy's, but the ivy's and stanford, mit have a "wow" factor. not that uchi doesn't, it's just that you get a bigger "WOW" when you say you graduated from an ivy. there are also a network of contacts at the ivy's that you cannot get from other institutions. in my opinion, the reason uchi is less desirable is that uchi accepts 40% of their applications. it doesn't seem as exclusive as yale who accept 10% (and uchi isn't as exclusive). cut that number to the low 20's and watch uchi's desirability rise.</p>
<p>I don't think Chicago cares as much about their desirability, or at least they make it seem that way.</p>
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UChicago has FAR MORE nationally highly ranked (top 10) departments/faculty than does NU, though NU does have several very good ones.
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For NU, I know the engineering school alone has 4 top 10 programs already. There are also programs at NU that have no published ranking but anyone in the knows would agree they are top-10--journalism, film, theater..etc. For the above quote to be true, U Chicago must have either huge number (like 300?) of deparments or have every one of its departments ranked in the top-10 but I know neither is true.</p>
<p>Chicago has 123 members of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and 41 members of the National Academy of Sciences currently on the faculty. </p>
<p>Northwestern now has 64 members of the AAAS, "far less" than Chicago. However, Northwestern seems to be gaining ground on Chicago in recent years when it had 7 elected in 2003 and 10 elected in 2004 (tied with Harvard that year). I can't find the total number of NAS at NU but it has had 9 elected between 2002-2005 alone. </p>
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UChicago's program is FAR MORE demanding academically (students work harder) than NU's.
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I haven't found any statistics showing UC students work, say, 3x (I suppose that's what "far more" means) more than Northwestern's on average. As a former chemE major at NU, I think anyone working even just twice as much as I or my former classmates did would only have probably 2 hours of sleep per day (I assume everyone has 24hr a day). That seems to be what some UC students claim they are able to do. I am very interested to know how they acquire this supernatural ability at UC. :)</p>