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<p>wow… I bet the OP got way more than he bargained for</p>
<p>Just my two cents: UC’s are generally perceived to be better than CSU’s. Half the people here trying to PROVE which one’s better. It’s all subjective so <strong><em>'s the point? You can’t factually prove one school is better. Rankings don’t mean the school’s better. Everything is someone’s opinion. We would all agree that Harvard is better than UCR.
But if someone doesn’t believe it, we can’t factually prove *</em></strong>. </p>
<p>Personally, I think UC’s, IN GENERAL, provide a better atmosphere and you get to be around peers, who like previous posters said, were hard working and intellectual enough to get into UC ____. CSU’s are fine too, it’s just the level of students around you that can foster a not-so-great environment. </p>
<p>@kmazza, why are you bashing on UC’s and all over CSUN’s nuts? I live in Northridge, csun’s great and all but jesus christ you’re like those delusional CSUN recruiters who came to my high school and told us CSUN is the best business school in california</p>
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<p>Well, I’m appreciative of your having taken the time to notify me, albeit a bit cryptically. Pity I didn’t know beforehand that we were competing. :[</p>
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caltech(as a math/stats major)</p>
<p>I answered Mr. Grape to what his inquiry was and the info he provided. I did not state which school system was better as that was not part of the question. Mr. Grape has been asking specifically on different threads about a ‘Finance’ major only to get opinion based responses not pertinent to what he asked. I have had many write me personal messages here thanking me because all they got was opinions or the question was not fully comprehended prior to the response given. </p>
<p>Mr. Grape also said that he did not want to perform a lot of math or accounting while pursuing Finance. He would not be looked down upon by a business already willing to hire a entry level finance guy nor would business grad schools put him down for obtaining a BS in Finance from CSUN. I’m not a recruiter for CSUN or the CSU system and merely providing the information requested while encouraging to go check out X colleges curriculum and see if it matches ones needs and interests. </p>
<p>The dialog we engaged in was not part and parcel of the CSU vs UC discussion as he asked me because no one else here on CC offered him an accurate answer to his question. He did not even know that CSUN had a bachelors in Finance since the norm is a BA/Concentration in finance which was parroted. You clowns should really know what you are arguing first before lying and putting me down. My premise still stands that CSU’s and UC’s are different and serve different purposes not that one system is better or worse. </p>
<p>Seriously, if it came to hiring someone based upon maturity and can they fulfill the job requirements on the managerial level who do you think I’d choose? Some mediocre UC student or someone like Mr. Grapes who may or may not decide to attend a CSU. I’d be judging based upon how he presents himself including his maturity level and personality. In regards to the position he is applying for, his choice of major would be of greater importance to me than his choice of school. He seems much more mature and personable than you two dolts that hardly possess high school level reading and comprehension skills.</p>
<p>God you’re one weird mother****er. You’re not hiring anybody, kmazza. You know that, right?</p>
<p>lol i just like the idea of provoking this guy and the fact that he then spends a good portion of his day responding to it</p>
<p>Yes that is correct, I do not call it hiring. I consider it partnering up with a fellow comrade if the gig requires another cameraman, second shooter, or DJ. I can’t do everything myself.</p>
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<p>Hey, it’s not a big deal that you weren’t able to respond to his points. There’s no need to express your insecurities about it.</p>
<p>goingmeta: he didn’t make any cogent points. that’s… well, the point.</p>
<p>but thanks for jumping into the ring here. we’re all glad to have you. <3</p>
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<p>I’ll take your word for it.</p>
<p>as if the claim that UC’s are better because have access to research and researchers when that is their function.</p>
<p>‘Research Institutions are better than non research institutions because are research institutions’</p>
<p>Sorry mate but I find flaws in your argument and you never actually lifted the burden and attacked my character, age, and intelligence instead of the addressing the issue. You also never provided support that you have done any research which would give you more credibility to your claim.</p>
<p>If what arrowhead claims is your supporting evidence, I want to point out that it is merely a claim as well, anecdotal at best, and deceptive at worst, and almost as circular in reasoning as your claim GT.</p>
<p>“Personally, I think UC’s, IN GENERAL, provide a better atmosphere and you get to be around peers, who like previous posters said, were hard working and intellectual enough to get into UC ____.”</p>
<p>kmazza, its more of a causitive thing, since UCs focus on producing cutting edge research, they recruit experts in various fields for their great research, and these shining stars of their fields then publish said research, which gives the UCs more funding to do more research, and increases the reputation of the school. </p>
<p>As a student of the UC system, not only will you be taught by experts, but you will get a chance to work with them, which is great for a resume/ cv, as well as great for networking.</p>
<p>Thx, green tea, I appreciate your feedback without resorting to insults. I understand what you are saying as that is the function of a UC. Realize less than 1-2% of students actually earn their PhD. I’m not a cynical person but do hold with contempt in a facetious manner the facade about how people like to think of themselves as an ‘expert’.</p>
<pre><code>Let’s take UCSB as an example. It is a well regarded University that I may decide to attend but silly perceptions about it being the UC of Sex and Beer lowers such distinction (or prestige since is the word you used) in people’s minds even though does not entail that the quality of education is lesser than other UC’s. That is one of my contentions related to the CSU vs. UC argument on which is better. I do not agree with that ‘smart’ people go to a UC while ‘less intelligent’ people go to a CSU. No disrespect, but if UC’s only allowed the most intelligent people in then there would be a significantly lesser amount of Californians’ attending them. Believe me you, that many oos students complained that unprepared Californians’ were slowing down the classrooms which is one reason why they have been directing more towards attending a CCC first.
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<p>What you are saying would only hold true if X student is actually participating in the mission and goals of a research institution. As I have previously mentioned, what has been happening is many students are only wanting to attend a UC for perception based prestige reasons, in a public university no less, with little intention of doing research. Has it come to that point again? That people only care about perception than learning? From what I have seen and experienced, many of these claims are empty and hallow. </p>
<p>What has been happening in the education system on how people want undeserved credit for merely breathing. I have also noticed a similar trend in people who join student government and do absolutely nothing but can also write that on their resume and/or for increasing their admission chances to a UC. </p>
<p>From the skeptical position, I don’t find it rude or uncalled for to put a person’s proposition or claim to prestige into question. I do not hold one field of study above another but since I do have to work with people graduating, I’m interested if X student learned anything or just skated though college on the taxpayers tab. I have never cheated and studied hard and do not want to work with someone who doesn’t know what the hell they are doing.</p>
<p>I don’t know where you get your information from, but from my personal experience, oos students are even less prepared than us “unprepared Californians.” Schools are a business as well. OOS students bring in much more money than in-state students. I personally know plenty of out of state students who got into ucla with way worse stats than other people. And I’m talking about kids who got in straight from high school.
And of course my statement is just a claim… hence the words “i think”</p>
<p>It’s also not a matter of
I’m sure there are plenty of smart people in CSU’s and plenty of ‘less intelligent’ people in UC’s. My point is that statistically speaking, there are more students who have proven themselves to be hard working and intelligent at UC’s than CSU’s.</p>
<p>edit: how was my statement deceptive? I said “personally” and “i think” and even ALL CAPPED “IN GENERAL” for you.</p>
<p>rofl @ your edit reason… ;x</p>
<p>trying to reason with kmazza is like trying to teach algebra II to your dog: your heart might be in the right place, but it just ain’t gonna happen.</p>
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<p>umad goingmeta? lol</p>
<p>lol goingmeta i hope you realize your statements are borderline i’m-gonna-cover-up-my-insecurities-by-acting-overconfident-and-cool</p>
<p>Yo, what’s the dillio with you dudes, I’m not much diggin some of these discussions dropping down to You-Tube level dialog. Instead of slamming others why not be like Goingmeta or Keith Stone…always smooth, and share some of your school experiences or something.</p>
<p>ye arrowhead I tend to agree and quite discontent with the majority of your points and think they are sensible and true since can be backed up with facts. I did take prior note but thanks for capitalizing just for me and looking out for me ol man eyeballs. I will take into consideration investing in glasses sometime soon so you want have to capitalize as much in the future if that’s kewl with you.</p>