Why Grinnell

Popping in to say that I am enjoying these write ups from recent visits to Grinnell. My son is a second year student there and has enjoyed his experience so far. One of the things that attracted him to Grinnell is the open curriculum. The only required classes are those needed to fulfill your major and the first semester/first year seminar. S14 is declaring a double major but has still had time to take classes in other areas outside of his majors.

We live on the East Coast and haven’t had any travel troubles. In January, our area was expecting a blizzard coinciding with the end of Winter Break. We could foresee that we would have to move up our son’s travel so that he could get out of DC prior to the blizzard hitting. Even though the dorms were not scheduled to be open at the new
travel time, the hard working people in facilities at Grinnell ran special shuttles to the airport to pick up the students
arriving back early due to the weather. The dorms were also opened early to accommodate this situation. I never expected this level of service. I highly recommend that kids who are using DSM for travel, also use the college shuttle service.

@lexluthor5 – Relish is one of our favorite restaurants in Grinnell. My son tells me that it doesn’t work for the average student’s budget but he is happy to have us take him there when we visit :)!!! We’ll have to try Dari Barn next time!

Congratulations to the Grinnell admits! Let me know if I can answer any questions! I only have 1.5 years of experience though!

So here’s the question I had trouble getting answers to while I was there: What’s the downside?

After asking around, I did come up with this much:

  • Iowa feels remote to those of us on the coasts.
  • Train running through campus is potentially troublesome.
  • Some say intolerance of (seeming) intolerance can feel as if it goes a step too far.
  • Relative openness of drug/alcohol policy seemed to make administrators a little nervous in presentations.

Anything else?

@porcupine98 – not sure if you are directing this to me but I’ll take a shot at it. Iowa definitely feels remote to some people. We live in a major metropolitan area (DC/Northern VA) and my son was very tired of the crowds around here so he was very welcome to the change to Iowa. I think it is a personal preference though.

I’ve never heard a word about the train so I don’t see that as an issue.

Not sure what you mean by the intolerance.

The only downside I’ve seen or heard about is the very cold weather/windchill! Also, travel can be tough when you don’t have a direct flight into DSM.

The tolerance/intolerance thing was something student mentioned – something I think may be common on many campuses these days – that in an effort to be sensitive to all perspectives there’s actually an INsensitivity to perspectives that don’t toe a certain line. It was raised as a very mild issue, and is, I suspect, not unique to Grinnell.

My daughter returned from her overnight trip to Grinnell last night and loved it. She clicked immediately with her host and her friends, she didn’t have one negative to say about it. She enjoyed the class she attended, thought the campus was really beautiful, thought the dorms were nice, thought that everyone was friendly and helpful. She could see herself happy there, which of course makes me happy. She did wonder about the relative isolation (we live in Chicago), but the girls she met were all from urban areas, Austin, Boston, Chicago, and it wasn’t an issue for them so I think that assuaged some of that concern.

As I’ve mentioned previously, my son was wait-listed, so we never got to investigate Grinnell further, but I’m not aware of many downsides (aside from those related to location). However, if you have a child interested in majoring in mathematics, I would inquire about their department’s placement in PhD programs if that’s a long-term goal, as I’ve heard some mixed reviews regarding their course offerings and how they mesh with competitive graduate programs. (It’s not an uncommon complaint with regard to LACs in general, and I don’t know if it’s valid, but I would investigate that closely if it’s applicable to your student.)

@lexluthor5 I’m replying to your comment that “it did sound like there might be some student funding for some travel/lodging for their MAPs and non-paid internships”

Summer MAP students (students who are selected to stay at Grinnell for a summer to do research with a professor) currently receive a $3,400 stipend from Grinnell. From what I’ve heard that’s more than enough to cover housing and food for the summer with a little bit left over.

Also, people who secure unpaid internships can apply for money from Grinnell from a pool of $275,000 annually to offset food, housing, and transportation. You won’t earn money this way but it’s a great way to intern at an organization that can’t pay you.

@porcupine98

“Train running through campus is potentially troublesome.”
As a student, I just don’t see this as even slightly a problem. The idea that the train would impact the Grinnell experience is just really silly. I don’t know how to explain how insignificant the train is.

“Some say intolerance of (seeming) intolerance can feel as if it goes a step too far.”
Ewww. This is the worst. These are people who think they’re being discriminated against when people don’t want to be friends with them because they say hurtful racist/sexist/homophobic/ableist/transphobic/classist/etc. stuff. If you are someone who does not want to held accountable for what you do then this is a drawback. However, I prefer to learn about what I can do to be in solidarity with different movements and I think that Grinnell is a fantastic place to learn accountability. Also, people never seem to feel uncomfortable with moaning about how oppressed they are because people are highly critical of their intolerant views.

“in an effort to be sensitive to all perspectives there’s actually an INsensitivity to perspectives that don’t toe a certain line”
Don’t expect Grinnell students to be sensitive to all perspectives or even perspectives that toe down a certain line. Perspectives are always up for debate, no matter how outlandish. Yet, do expect Grinnell students to be sensitive to their fellow students.

Some people express frustration that people don’t, for example, “respect” their views on abortion. I don’t think that I have to support everyone’s perspectives to respect everyone as a person. If your vegan group tells people that eating animal products is the equivalent to slavery, expect to get a lot of backlash from people with eating disorders or dietary restrictions. People will call you out for not taking a more intersectional approach. Overall, this makes our campus better because people will later consider these things before future planning events.

“Relative openness of drug/alcohol policy seemed to make administrators a little nervous in presentations.”
I’m not sure what you mean by this but most Grinnell students are firm supporters of our open policy on alcohol and drugs because it allows us to keep our friends safe without having to worry about getting them in trouble.

@WiseStudent Thanks for your helpful and thorough response.

To be clear, I was grasping at straws, because to me Grinnell seemed like nearly the ideal school for my kid (and, frankly, the school I wish I had attended), but I feel that in order to make an informed decision it’s important to ferret out the negatives, whatever they might be. (Or, in this case, potential negatives.) At this point I think I’m pretty much down to “travel is a bit of a pain” and “I wish it were cheaper.”

Interestingly, though, you played into my hand a little with the matter of respecting others’ views, though I don’t think what I was talking about is in any way unique to Grinnell (or college for that matter). I wasn’t talking about someone, being overtly (or covertly) racist, etc, or, say, advocating for open carry at a peace rally and then complaining that their views weren’t supported, but more subtle things where sometimes a specific orthodoxy can evolve and it can be hard to modulate that with an alternate perspective (whatever that may be). By choosing to respond with an “Ewwwww” you provided a prime example of how it can be difficult to posit something that’s a little different from what others are all agreeing on without feeling completely shut down. But again, not unique to Grinnell, just something an actual real live Grinnell student brought up when I asked, so I added it to the list. I heard the same thing from Wesleyan and Oberlin kids too, and the media has had a field day with variations on this theme.

But no matter … it really all sounds great to me.

So, I don’t know if your S is still undecided @porcupine98 but we just got back from our Accepted Students trip, yesterday, and here’s my 2 cents worth (and a little more. Sorry, I am not a good editor!)

First of all, my S applied EDII, but wanted to meet other future potential classmates of 2020, (some of whom he had met on the Grinnell 2020 Facebook page) and to attend more classes, as he is completely undecided. I know Grinnell is a small town (I am a city girl, myself) but the town is cute and clean, and very accessible to the students, as the campus is right in town.

2 thoughts about Grinnell College being in a small town vs. a city: #1 - They have a large entertainment budget, and bring all sorts of musicians, dancers, comedians, speakers, authors, etc, (Plus from all the posters I saw around school, the students provide a lot of performing arts entertainment created by themselves); and all of it is “free” ie. included in the activities fee. #2 - From our Sun & Mon visit we found that the students do indeed take their work very seriously, and spend a good deal of their time on their studies and lab work, etc… So, other than Friday late afternoon, until Sunday afternoon, the students are too busy to do much else.

So remote location can be looked at as an advantage in couple of ways - Most of life is centered around campus, fostering a well-known strong sense of community among the students, and there are very few distractions, allowing students to stay focused on studies, If your student is on a budget, as mine will be, there just aren’t a lot of things for a student to spend (waste) his or her money on.

One of the hallmarks of a student’s life at Grinnell, and I heard this from both students and administrators, is that they treat the students like adults, not kids, and give them a lot of opportunities, to forge their own paths; but also to take a lot of responsibility for their actions. There are not a lot of rules to follow at Grinnell. If there are problems with academics or behavior, their system is not punitive, and look at it as a health, safety and wellness issue. There was a lot of discussion about mental health and overall wellness, (as studies are very rigorous, and there are other pressures) and students are encouraged to use the free services provided on campus. They have a 24 hour hotline for nights and weekends, as well. So, although there is plenty of support, if you need it, a student is expected to conduct themselves as a young adult, not a kid. There definitely was some concern among parents about the “Self Governance” model at Grinnell, with regard to drinking and illegal drug use, but from everything I’ve heard, the lack of “rules” about it seems to keep kids from sneaking around, and they don’t appear to have a real problem with binge drinking, and other heavy use problems on other campuses. With a small school and this program, the students, whom almost all of them live in the dorms, are responsible to each other for their behavior. It was my impression that, mostly, there is just not a lot of time for “partying,” except on the weekends, as the academic standards are so high.

Also, I would say the talk from the Center for Careers, Life & Service staff (which included a senior student who works in the dept) was really impressive. They have a lot of service and support to give your student, and help them connect with (or find) a ton of opportunities for research, internships, ex-ternships (2 week stints shadowing alumni during spring break), help applying to graduate level studies/med school, etc. I’ve told my S that he needs to start spending time in that little white building on the west side of campus as soon as he settles in, so he gets to know them, and vice versa. They even have a “life coach” who can help a student like my S, who is so undecided regarding what he wants to do with his life. Obviously, his academic advisor will be a large part of this process for my S, as well.

As an example: I met the senior student who interviewed my S last fall, and she said she go her first internship, actually working for the summer at Iowa State, in Ames, as a rising sophomore. She said that even though she was the youngest student working on the research, she had the most experience in working on a project, because she had been given so much opportunity to work on and pursue her own work, in her freshman year at Grinnell. Now, as a Sr, she is finishing up work on a research project that was actually written up in the Washington Post, and is heading off to medical school, feeling completely prepared for the next phase of her life. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/the-bacteria-fighting-super-element-making-a-return-to-hospitals-copper/2015/09/20/19251704-5beb-11e5-8e9e-dce8a2a2a679_story.html

And my final note in this long post: My rather reserved and shy S, after his campus visit last fall, felt like Grinnell’s campus culture was one of complete acceptance, no matter where you come from, what you look like, athletic, artsy or geeky, all students are part of one community. He felt comfortable talking to anyone and everyone he met at Grinnell. His visit this weekend just confirmed his fall experience and he now can’t wait to be on-campus in August, and become a true “Grinnellian!”

PS> Re: I don’t know if there is a culture of “Intolerance” at Grinnell, which has been written about this past year, (Yale, Oberlin College, an similar schools), but my S will be testing that hypothesis over his 4 years at Grinnell, as he often takes a contrarian view, even it is not his actual opinion, just to get the conversation going, and make it more interesting. :wink:

Good luck to all considering attending Grinnell, or applying there in the future. Once my S has been there awhile, I’ll be happy to provide an (hopefully shorter!) update.

Grinnell it is! I could not be more thrilled for my kid.

And, apologies if this has been asked and answered, but does anybody know if there is any kind of social media parent group? I searched Facebook and could only find a not-very-active “Grinnell College Parents and Friends” page (not a group).

If there isn’t one, any interest in forming one for the class of 2020?

@porcupine98 – congrats and welcome! The family list serve has been a helpful tool for me. Try this linkhttps://forum.grinnell.edu/webform/grinnell-parents-listserv-subscription-form

Great, thank you @thinmints!

Thank you – just submitted my request!

Question: About how long does it take to get added to the listserv and how often do you see activity? (Nothing here yet.)

It can be weeks between activity and then bursts. Welcome to Grinnell.

@porcupine98 – I agree with @Mom24boys – sometimes you can go for a long time with no activity…but…there are times when activity is high because a hot topic is being discussed. I think that sometime in the Fall, there was a, sometimes heated, discussion about partying and dorm policies regarding parties, etc.

After a very, very long deliberation process (it had come down to Northwestern with an exceptionally great financial aid package and Grinnell) - I am thrilled that my daughter accepted her spot at Grinnell! I have personally yet to see the school, but her overnight visit sealed the deal for her and I look forward to visiting late summer!

Hooray! FWIW, my kid applied sight unseen, and the visit (almost) clinched the deal for both of us. He had to go visit a couple of remaining contenders, but I was all in from the local reception.

I know CC is not good statistical sampling, but it does seem like this year more accepted kids are choosing Grinnell.

I know in past years it has been mentioned that Grinnell did not do a great job of selling itself, be it location or “Midwest nice”. I think ths is changing for better. Something almost magical happens when the right kid sets foot on the campus, its just getting them there.

They did a GREAT sales job this year. Nothing fancy, just straight up news we could use, warmth, competence, engagement. It felt thoughtful, not hyped.