Why is Columbia's admission rate lower than HYPSM?

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<p>And the simple fact that the OP misunderstands Columbia's undergrad admit rate goes to show you the extent to which Columbia and its boosters like to obfuscate facts to hype certain aspects of the school and downplay others.</p>

<p>Posters on this site make claims abt C College's admit rate and then talk about great SAT scores. But those scores included SEAS (which you guys don't want to include in your admit ratios). </p>

<p>You can't have it both ways. Be honest. That's the best policy.</p>

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<p>Columbia J-School (best in US)
SIPA (top 5 in US)
Law School (top 5)
Med School (top 10)
B-School (top 10 US News, Financial Times-2 or 3) etc.)
Music (many programs with Julliard)
Location, e.g. NYC (THE MOST OPPORTUNITIES FOR ALMOST ANYTHING A STUDENT COULD WANT-btw anyone can intern during the summer, but the internships during the year sets one up for the summer)
Teachers College (US News 1)
Columbia College (one of the best Liberal Arts education-top 5 IMHO)</p>

<p>Many individual departments are also rated top 5 or 10....why is this important? Well, Columbia is unique to be so strong in this many programs, maybe not top 3, but strong, and still allows students to gain "real-world" training in any industry...please provide another US city that does the same? </p>

<p>I would quote the number of nobels in the last 10 years awarded to CU faculty, but Red & Blue will talk about how that does not matter for undergraduate education, maybe, but for D@$% measuring contests it does! I just don't see why Columbia should not "play-up" the NYC location every college in America, including Harvard, would do the same if given the opportunity....why? Because it is an enormous advantage for students' professional development.</p>

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<p>Hello Hausdoff - I havent seen you post for quite some time. Good to hear from you b/c I love the debates. </p>

<p>Since you mentioned me directly, I will respond to your comments.</p>

<p>1) No, I don't think the number of Nobel Prize winners makes a huge difference to undergrad or grad education. There are many other faculty metrics to select that are more of a quality determinant than the Nobel stat </p>

<p>1a) Just for good measure, Columbia is usually quoted having 80+ Nobel winners affiliated with the school. However, the vast majority of that 80 are NOT at the school today (it's a cumulative number over time) - most other schools do NOT calc their Nobel winners that way [certainly H Y and S do not]</p>

<p>1b) even if all 80 were at Columbia right now, that's 80 out of ~3200 faculty members. Less than 3 percent. Hmmm......</p>

<p>1c) Whether it's a "REAL" 80 Nobels or not, no one in academia would state Columbia's faculty is stronger overall than HYPSMCalTech or possibly even Chicago. Claiming the Nobel number impresses layman, but few others.</p>

<p>Not to bash Columbia at all BTW - a stat I trust much more is the Center for Measuring University Performance, which lists Columbia at #7 among all private schools, just a smidge behind Princeton and Yale. Damn good, but that's the more applicable stat.</p>

<p>Re Grad schools (which BTW is entirely unrelated to the OP)</p>

<p>IMHO, Columbia is 3rd in quality among the Ivies in professional schools (behind Harvard and Penn) and probably tied for 4th with Penn in graduate arts and sciences (after Princeton, Harvard, Yale). Outside of the Ivies, only Stanford [the only really challenger to Harvard], Chicago, MIT, Duke and maybe Michigan come close in all-around excellence.</p>

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<p>Columbia* is one of the most popular colleges ever in the US and they're acceptance rates was rated the lowest ever in IVY history 8.9% of 18,000+. yeah; <em>shocker</em>......teh only thing I'm kind of angry about is the fact that no US president came from Columbia...only Harvard && Yale etc.</p>

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<p>Give Obama a bit of time, jeez.</p>

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<p>I think somethings wrong with you because I said no President has came from Columbia so far....&& Obama went 2 Harvard...<<which basically proves me right...(shakin my head)</p>

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<p>No President has come from Columbia?
TWO Presidents have come from Columbia..and Eisenhower served as President of the University.</p>

<p>From Wikipedia:
Two former Presidents of the United States have attended Columbia. Six Justices of the Supreme Court of the United States and 39 Nobel Prize winners have obtained degrees from Columbia. Today, three United States Senators and 16 current Chief Executives of Fortune 500 companies hold Columbia degrees, as do three of the 25 richest Americans.</p>

<p>Not to mention former Secretary of State, Secretary General of the UN, Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank, etc, etc.</p>

<p>Columbia has no shortage of illustrious alumni.</p>

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<p>julia stiles!</p>

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<p>Err.... idiot.</p>

<p>I think something is far worse with you since Obama went to Columbia, but also graduated from Harvard Law...</p>

<p>(shaking my head)</p>

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<p>hmmm.....well I researched it && da one i researched didn't list any Columbia Alumnis as presidents........geuss it didn't include da full thing........</p>

<p>&& ummmm Vesalvay.....obama is not president yet.....so i think you need 2 let da man Breathe.......<em>throws Rock</em></p>

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<p>"Give Obama a bit of time, jeez."</p>

<p>Sorry, do you understand English?</p>

<p><em>Catches rock and pelts it at So Authentic's face</em></p>

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<p>And I thought the more education people received, the more civil they become. Guess I was wrong.</p>

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<p>Where did you hear that? :rolleyes:</p>

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<p><em>Audience Boo-ing at Velsalvay</em>
...::Apples && Oranges being Hurled::...</p>

<p>...Trust me I understand English way better than you and tons more languages with that</p>

<p>Yo nunca dije nada acerca de Obama. ....he es ni el presidente mas tan se tranquiliza</p>

<p>(((<em>Looks in disgust</em>))))</p>

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<p>Ok this post is getting pretty lame. Anyway, ....Utada Hikaru baby!</p>

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<p>Obama transferred to Columbia from Occidental when he "wanted to get serious about [his] education". Columbia College was what set him up for Harvard Law.</p>

<p>And it set me up for that too...and it continues to set me up, as I'm thinking of lining up Columbia connections (many of whom are tight with people at Harvard GSAS and Cambridge) to apply to graduate schools.</p>

<p>Not that this has any bearing on the worth of Columbia Law, which places better with big corporate firms in New York. If I had wanted to be a biglaw white shoe lawyer, I would have gone for CLS, and no doubt Obama would have as well.</p>

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<p>I think you've proved that your also an imbecile as well as an illiterate moron.</p>

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<p>(You can prove yourself otherwise, if you do one simple thing... well at least the latter comment)</p>

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<p>One of the things I liked best about Columbia when I was there was not just that NYC was a great place to go to school but it also attracted a lot of great faculty. This was several years ago so I can't run down a list of names but I just remember so many incredibly famous professors who came to teach and a major reason for them to come there was because they wanted to live in New York City. Think about it, unlike the students, the professors are grown men making decisions about where to live. Just like you'd probably be more likely to take a job in New York City versus one in New Haven or central Jersey if the jobs weren't too different. Columbia is also a great feeder school to the fast-track jobs in New York. One of the big benefits of being in NYC during school was I was able to intern at a hedge fund during the school year. I wouldn't have been able to do that if I was at one of the other Ivies. I knew a number of other students that had part-time/intern work during the school year at great places in the city. You name it - i-banking, law firms, media, marketing, design, etc. The city has cream of the crop firms for almost anything. There are few top schools that have location as a great selling point, Columbia is one of them.</p>

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<p>Wait, I've never heard about IBs or hedge funds offering part-time jobs to college kids. How did you pull it off? I'd be very interested in working for a HF. How big was the fund you worked for and what were your duties there? How was the pay? Thanks!</p>