This comment from over eight years ago is still applicable today.
It seems sketchy compared to every peer college providing all the details. “Most kids go to grad school” is not a valid excuse. One, give us the details of those going continuing education. Two, isolate those who don’t, like every other college.
It would be great if you could give examples of the type of info your looking for (specifically from all the Ivies) and then maybe someone could steer you in the right direction.
Okay…
Medical school… According to AAMC, 183 UofC students applied to medical school last year. I believe that’s out of a class of approx. 1,700 students. How many sat for the MCAT? The difference would tell us how many did not receive a committee letter. What medical schools did c/o 2017 matriculate to? How many UofC freshman were pre-med but changed course? Yale answers all of these questions.
Law school… How many UofC students took the LSAT last year? How many applied to law school? Which law schools did they end up at?
Employment… how come none of the UCIs provide employment surveys or salary info? Yale, for example, has extremely detailed first year destination reports, summer activity reports, and everything else you can imagine. https://ocs.yale.edu/connect/statistics
Okay…
Didn’t take me long…just had to google “UChicago outcomes”
Highlights:
Top tier law school admits 2016
9 Columbia
8 Harvard
24 NYU
6 Stanford
21 UChicago (84% acceptance rate to top 14)
4 Yale
Med school - 82% admit rate
93% of the Class of 2016 graduated with post-graduation plans in place
Couldn’t find salary data but I imagine its comparable to Yale’s data, and I really didn’t feel like running any more of this fairly easily obtainable data for you. I mean do you really think that its that different from other elite schools, that somehow UChicago grads make less and UChicago is “hiding it”?
@writermom2018 you really need to move on.
lol
183 applying with an 82% medical school admit rate means 150 out of a class of roughly 1,700. Did far more than 183 sit for the MCAT? Where do the 150 admits go?
Okay, 72 out of 1,700 make it to T14s. How many to non-T14 law schools? How many sat for LSAT?
While this is flaunted by all of their peers, it is not easily obtainable from UofC, hence this thread.
Why do you and your son think that everyone wants to be a lawyer or a doctor? Seriously this is unhealthy.
Deflections don’t answer my questions, they add nothing to the conversation. Thanks.
I don’t understand the point of this whole thread…is a relative interested in going to UChicago? I guess they want to look at salaries before they apply? We know your son was rejected and your not happy about that but he will go on to do great things I’m sure at whatever university he ends up at.
Why so worried? Pretty sure that after graduation the Chicago kids are not all eating bons bons and watching tv for a living.
If you do get ahold of salary info, remember to take cost of living and personal choice (major/field) into account. Since relatively few major in Engineering and CS (versus peers) at UChicago, and since most of those grads will likely be working in the Midwest as opposed to the Northeast – where COL and salaries are higher – I would not be surprised if UChicago grads’ starting salaries are lower than they are for HYPSM, Columbia, and Penn. So remember to keep those things in mind to avoid incorrect assumptions.
Of course, salary potential is a very poor reason to choose a school from among a peer group, since kids at top schools largely do choose their own majors and (hence) their jobs, assuming job markets are amenable. Instead, it’s all about the academic quality/teaching and the experience.
Please find the excerpt from UChicago’s UCIHP (pre-med/pre-vet/pre-dental/pre-optometry advising) website below. UCIHP does not screen applicants. Everyone who asks UCIHP for help applying gets a committee letter. Not everyone goes through UCIHP though. Many of my friends just applied on their own, without asking for a committee letter. That’s why there’s a discrepancy between the number of total applicants from UChicago vs number of applicants UCIHP helps.
Seems that there’s a substantially larger pre-med community at UChicago now. I’d say 220~240 first years are interested in medicine, with 170~190 students applying each year. (Keep in mind though that some students might become interested in medicine later on in their college/post-graduation career.)
As stated below, UChicago does not track acceptance rate to top 25 medical schools, which are somewhat difficult to define to begin with.
Wow, I’m getting deja vu from that thread a few days ago.
Class of 2016 was under 1450 people, not 1700. It was before the current rapid college increase.
Northwestern, Notre Dame and Michigan disclose detailed exit statistics, and their placement and salaries are not abnormally inferior vis-a-vis coastal T20s.
Agree to disagree. Thanks.
Regarding law school admissions, I found out the number of applicants from UChicago in 2016: 169.
If 84% are accepted to T-14 law, that’s 142 students out of 169.
Side note: Just astonished by how far law as a profession has declined since 2008! Applicants to law schools from top undergrad institutions plummeted from 3,705 in 2010 to just 1,809 in 2017. That’s a 51.4% decline in less than a decade. Seems like the best and brightest are avoiding law schools altogether.
Anyone with 1/2 a brain is avoiding law school. The bottom dropped out of the legal market in 2008, and everyone and their brother decided to go to law school to wait out the recession. The market is over-saturated.
But I’m sure there are still plenty of very bright people going to law school. Academic achievement alone does not a good lawyer make.
What I notice in the old posting and now again in @writermom2018 ‘s recycling of it is the word “flaunt” as applied to the peer schools’ presentation of this data. If it’s true that Chicago doesn’t do that, I count it as a plus and as being very characteristic of the Chicago take on education. Sure, it’s not terrible to go off to college thinking of your options thereafter, but (a) that’s not the thing to be obsessing about at that moment, and (b) you don’t need to know the exact stats to know that a Chicago degree will for a multitude of reasons give you a leg up on whatever you want to do (and of course you generally don’t know at that age what you want to do) in your life after Chicago. See Andrew Abbott’s “Aims of Education” talk on this subject. I might add that any 18-year-old (or parent of an 18-year-old) doing comparative analysis of these stats so as to come up with a cost-benefit algorithm for selecting a school - well, that kid may have many talents but is not a kid I would like to see at the U of C.
The starting salary is hardly indicative of future career success, careers are marathons not sprints and where you start is not necessarily where you end up. For example the starting salary is high for engineers, but you become obsolete in 5 years (YMMV), and even if you don’t someone across the globe can do your work far more cheaply. And, if you don’t like what you do, you won’t get far, independent of starting salary.
@marlowe1 Flaunt was used by a still regular poster on this very UofC forum in the quoted comment. I think that comment I quoted is from 2008, it’s @cue7, here:
http://talk.qa.collegeconfidential.com/university-chicago/829810-nondorf-is-making-a-mistake.html
@Tiglathpileser Yale details both first-year (2013) and 4 years out (2017) in the link I posted. How many years would be sufficient to gather how $305K in undergrad measures up to peer colleges? But this appears hypothetical because it’s a challenge to find clean UofC first year, forth year or tenth year (Obama college score card?) employment data.
It seems like Chicago’s data is easily accessible so the premise of the thread is questionable.
Having said that, it is very disconcerting that so many students/alums believe outcomes are a poor way of measuring the quality of a university. Most students go to university in order to improve their job prospects. Not everyone has the inclination or the aptitude to win a Nobel prize.
