<p>for the love of god, if oblique anal sex jokes don't get you people to stop talking about this, I don't know what will.</p>
<p>Let me paint you all a picture. At Columbia, graduation is a two-day process. The first day, each specific school has a "Class Day" where all of the students of a particular school have a school-specific ceremony. This is where you walk across the aisle, get your pin or (in some cases) diploma or whatever, and have at least some individuality. SEAS and CC do theirs on south lawn in the middle of campus, barnard has theirs on their campus, and other schools have theirs in various locations. In some cases the graduating classes are quite small so it's less of a logistical hassle.</p>
<p>Then, the next day, is Commencement. At that ceremony, all twenty-two schools of Columbia, Affiliated institutions, etc are presented, each with their own student bodies, arranged in very careful order up on Low Plaza. In the order of founding of each of the schools, the deans of each school go to President Bollinger and formally request that he grant the students of his school their diplomas. When they're all done, Bollinger says OK (to all 22 schools), and everyone tosses stuff in the air and pandemonium ensues.</p>
<p>If your school takes part in Columbia University Commencement, you're getting a Columbia University diploma. Bollinger grants it, with a lot of pomp and circumstance (literally and figuratively), and you're a graduate of Columbia University.</p>
<p>You can sit here and argue till you're blue in the face that employers shouldn't take a degree from GS as seriously as they take a degree from CC or SEAS. And that's for employers to decide. But in the eyes of Columbia, you're all Columbia students.</p>
<p>Can you all go find something more interesting to talk about now please?</p>
<p>"Perhaps some of us, who object to the "back doors," do feel somewhat defensive -- irritated, a little, that we spent so much time and energy studying to get into Columbia, when we could have partied more, applied to major in dance, & slid right into Barnard... and thence Columbia."</p>
<p>1)If you wish you had partied more in high school , and still been able to take classes at columbia by going to barnard, well then, you should have done that. Your mistake . (If youre a guy.. nvm..)
2)They are not the same schools. Also ...It's hard to get into barnard... i know people that haven gotten into elite ivies that haven't gotten in; it's not a safety school for many who get into columbia, though it may be a target/low target</p>
<p>" Also, if all is "equal," and if the "affiliation" is so great, why doesn't Columbia College issue diplomas with "Columbia-Barnard" on them?"</p>
<p>...Because Columbia is larger and more well known than Barnard. It makes sense. If you have a problem with it ask the CU administration.</p>
<p>Honestly.. this is ridiculous. I really dont see why you are bitter about it. Encountering sentiments like this made me question whether I wanted to go to Barnard because honestly I was afraid i would have to put up with a lot of tension and/or snobblish eliteism, and ensuing feelings of inferiority. However,ultimatley, I realized that anyone who honestly cared that I was taking classes at columbia but had "only" gotten into Barnard was an idiot, and not worth my time. I think you should that comments like yours can be hurtful to -the reputation of columbia students, and of barnard to unsuspecting souls (which really isnt fair...). barnard is a great school, and im sure you could not have guessed who in your high school would get into barnard but not columbia as opposed to both. so... get over yourself. </p>
<p>the columbia administrators obviously think its a positive arrangment. you didnt have to go to columbia. you dont have to take classes at barnard. so what is the point of what youre saying? its only serving negative purposes.</p>
<p>" Also, if all is "equal," and if the "affiliation" is so great, why doesn't Columbia College issue diplomas with "Columbia-Barnard" on them?"</p>
<p>I don't even know what this means. </p>
<p>All the Columbia U degrees mention both Columbia U and the particular college of the recipient. Columbia University degrees issued to Barnard grads do not mention Columbia College, just Columbia U. There is nothing analogous about a Columbia College grad getting a diploma that mentions Barnard College.</p>
<p>In both cases the Columbia U degrees are issued and signed by the university, with the Columbia U seal; then additionally signed by the head of the relevant college. For Columbia College, the degrees are signed by the Columbia College dean; for Barnard College the Barnard President signs it. In exactly analogous fashion. The only difference is Barnard also has a college seal. Possibly all the affiliates have their own seal.</p>
<p>Other than that, the format and wording of the diplomas are virtually word-for-word identical.</p>