<p>^^ Nope, that should be enough. Consider you are well informed. :P</p>
<p>Time after time Annasdad just proves he does not know much and writes way too often proving that point. It’s nearly comical. MSU is a very solid state U and if you have to put it into a tier it would be at the level of the best southern flagships like Florida and UGA , and very close to PSU/IU/Purdue level in the B10. Way better than any CSU campus and many of the lower UCs. UIC?? Not hardly. Now that might be closer to the better CSUs.</p>
<p>MSU is ranked #71 as a National U. It’s ranked #28 as a state school which is pretty good considering the UC’s grab 6 higher spots. </p>
<p>It’s better than the CSUs…except maybe for SLO (which, like the other CSUs, is in a diff ranking system.)</p>
<p>MSU’s ranking is similar to privates: American Univ & Baylor, and publics: Rutgers, U Minn-Twin Cities, U Iowa, Virginia Tech & some others.</p>
<p>@barrons,</p>
<p>I actually didn’t want to bring up comparison between MSU and UIC, KSU or CSUs… Yet,… here were some of my findings:</p>
<p>UIC’s “guest membership” just got revoked from CIC last year… =.="</p>
<p>[Big</a> Ten cooperative group revokes UIC status - Peoria, IL - pjstar.com](<a href=“http://www.pjstar.com/news/x1694031587/Big-Ten-cooperative-group-revokes-UIC-status]Big”>http://www.pjstar.com/news/x1694031587/Big-Ten-cooperative-group-revokes-UIC-status)</p>
<p>UIC’s 50% ACT 21-26 which is similar to most of the top tier CSUs with the exception of CSU-SLO. When it comes to Kansas State U.,</p>
<h1>Percent of Applicants Admitted: 99%</h1>
<h1>For admission, students must score a 21 on the ACT, a 980 on the SAT (CR + M), have a 2.0 GPA (2.5 for out-of-state)</h1>
<p>Note: A 2.0 GPA can not even get you into Wayne State University (Tier 4) in Michigan let alone MSU (50 Percentile GPA 3.4-3.8).</p>
<p>Finally, just to throw in some more numbers. If one is to add-up the entire “23 Cal State Campus,” total endowment = $823 million, which would be equal to about half of MSU’s endowment.</p>
<p>Enjoy the wkend everyone!! :)</p>
<p>Michigan State is not a bad school. You can get a very good education there. But you can say the same for 90% of the colleges and universities in the United States.</p>
<p>No, it’s better than 95% of the schools out there.</p>
<p>You apparently still have a reading issue, barrons. I didn’t make any claims as to whether it was better or worse. But since you want to do the comparisons, it’s just as good as UIC or KSU or the CSUs, slightly below Michigan Tech, way below Ann Arbor.</p>
<p>^^^^I read this statement that you made annasdad:</p>
<p>"Michigan State is a good third-tier state school - about on a par with UIC, Kansas State, or some of the better CSUs. "</p>
<p>MSU is NOT a third tier school, whatever that means. No university that is an AAU member is third tier.</p>
<p>^^What is your basis for this claim other than personal opinion?</p>
<p>^^ USNWR ranks Michigan State at 71 out of National Universities. That is clearly second-tier, since second tier is generally considered 50-100. Kansas State is over twice that at #143.</p>
<p>USNWR rankings are total nonsense, based on meaningless criteria and arbitrary weightings.</p>
<p>I agree that USNWR is meaningless. But the Association of American Universities is not.</p>
<p>AAU does not base membership on meaningless criteria or arbitrary weightings. They base it on research productivity and graduate education. Michigan State’s long-standing membership in that group speaks volumes.</p>
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<p>Which are meaningless when assessing the quality of undergraduate education.</p>
<p>That’s not really true. Those features are correlated with important resources available to undergraduate students - such as undergraduate research opportunities, large university libraries, a wide array of course offerings, etc.</p>
<p>It’s not a perfect measurement (no such thing exists) but I would argue that it’s much more valid than USNWR’s “prestige” and “money” rankings.</p>
<p>“The Association of American Universities is a nonprofit association of 59 U.S. and two Canadian preeminent public and private research universities. Founded in 1900, AAU focuses on national and institutional issues that are important to research-intensive universities, including funding for research, research and education policy, and graduate and undergraduate education.”</p>
<p>Now this doesn’t mean that there aren’t any excellent universities that are non AAU members. Rather that no member of the AAU is a so called “third tier” university. Stating that, I can assure you that neither KSU, UIC, or any CSU campus is going to be invited to enter this organization in the near future.</p>
<p>umm… because for me the fin aid at Pomona is MUCH better than Binghamton’s. I go to school practically for free in california, Bing didn’t give me scratch.</p>
<p>I don’t want to go to my SU because it’s the norm…It’s average, something I’ve never let myself be. Nothing wrong with my state school, I just don’t want to go to college with people from my high school class.</p>
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<p>Sounds pretty average to me.</p>
<p>^Right, because my grades define me. What an *******.</p>
<p>Yes, for college admissions purposes, they pretty much do.</p>