Will a 0 EFC keep me out of colleges?

<p>I haven’t read all this, but the contributions of the mother for the last year, should be reported on the FAFSA, in the section about unreported income for the kid. This applies to money and also other contributions (read the worksheet).</p>

<p>If the mother does not contribute anything to the son’s life, in terms of money or other resources, then the way the father did the FAFSA is fine. But I doubt that is the case.</p>

<p>I think the most honest thing to do is to write a letter and send it to the financial aid office, following up with a phone call or visit. Most private colleges require a CSS Profile or their own institutional forms that explain situations like this, and make the whole financial aid process fairer.</p>

<p>Consider that the purpose of all this is to make it possible for kids to go to college, who might otherwise not be able to go. Playing these games is not fair to others. People also play games about grandparents’ contributions. Starting out with an honest relationship can help you in the long run, because the FA office will trust you and work with you if things get tough.</p>

<p>I have EFC of 0 also even though my dad makes a nice salary. But he seriously doesnt pay for much of anything of mine, so it wouldnt have been fair to punish me for his high income.</p>

<p>^^^
Hope your college choices don’t choose to verify your FAFSA.</p>

<p>I have EFC of 0 also even though my dad makes a nice salary. But he seriously doesnt pay for much of anything of mine, so it wouldnt have been fair to punish me for his high income.</p>

<p>Do you live with your dad? If your parents are divorced, then his income isn’t considered.</p>

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My kids do not have divorced parents. If I “seriously don’t pay for much of anything for them”, is it fair to punish them for my high income ?</p>

<p>It pains me to think that my taxes are subsidizing your college, given your (in)ability to think clearly.</p>

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you have to settle for something that you don’t deserve
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<p>ED: I am tired of hearing students lament they cannot afford the school they DESERVE. If you did well in school and applied to appropriate schools you get into the schools you deserve. If you apply to all reaches or matches then you must realize you have to pay. Colleges are NOT free in the US but students believe they should be.</p>

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A lot of kids work hard in school, get accepted into their dream school only to be told they have to attend their “Financial-Safties”
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<p>ED: If you had done the proper research you would have found a safety you were happy with. If you applied to schools that you were not willing to attend then you wasted money. They are not safeties unless you are willing to go there.</p>

<p>I completely agree. When you look at the top 10% of most graduating HS classes (maybe top 20%), you’re going to find many, many kids that worked their tails off for great grades. Obviously, all these kids can’t/won’t get into elite schools that can be super generous with money. </p>

<p>Frankly, while I’m glad that ivies are generous, it unfortunately gives kids the wrong impression about how college typically gets paid for. Kids (and sometimes parents) think colleges have this vault of money just waiting to be given away.</p>

<p>Wow. I remember once upon a time when people divorced before they retired because social security penalized married couples. If this gets out, there will be mass divorces for the parents of high school kids, minimal child support agreements, and FASFA being submitted based only on the “custodial” parent. My husband and I will be struggling and sacrificing to put two through college. Parents divorce each other - not their children. Calculation of child support payments and the amount paid varies from state to state and is barely reflective of the ability to pay – and certainly not in comparison to the FASFA and colleges which clearly believe parents (apparently married ones anyway) have an ability to pay far more than they can (hence, loans being sought) There is something very wrong if this is legal and penalizes married couples while rewarding ones who divorce. My student’s chosen school does not meet 100% of need and, as other parents have posted, this may prevent my student from attending first choice (and best fit) school. May be if the money was not being allocated in such an unfair manner, mine and other students could pursue their dreams. Maybe they should retitle the financial aid program as “grants, scholarships, loans, and aid to children of wealthy divorced parents.”</p>

<p>If true, this is so wrong on so many levels.</p>

<p>^ The CSS PROFILE </p>

<p>[CSS/Profile</a> - student financial aid application](<a href=“College Board - SAT, AP, College Search and Admission Tools”>How to Complete the CSS Profile® – BigFuture | College Board) </p>

<p>treats these issues differently from the FAFSA. Several dozen colleges use the PROFILE (the “institutional methodology”) to allocate student aid. Because many of those colleges are among the colleges with the most generous student aid, those colleges end up being influential in how financial aid applications are treated for thousands of applicants at the country’s most selective colleges. The CSS PROFILE methodology, that is the institutional methodology, generally considers the income and assets of both custodial and noncustodial parents after divorce, and the income and assets of both birth parents and step-parents. Some online financial aid estimators will show the difference between the two methodologies </p>

<p>[EFC</a> Calculator: How Much Money for College Will You Be Expected to Contribute?](<a href=“http://apps.collegeboard.com/fincalc/efc_welcome.jsp]EFC”>http://apps.collegeboard.com/fincalc/efc_welcome.jsp) </p>

<p>if you plug in figures that fit your family’s situation.</p>

<p>Wow WorriedMom13, I hope you are just having a bad day or that the majority of your post was made tongue in cheek. </p>

<p>From where I stand as divorced parent I have to say that you should be counting your blessings that your children are able to be raised in a two parent family with all the advantages–not just monetary–which that brings. It sounds like both you and your spouse are on the same page regarding the importance of an education. That’s great, however, that may not be the case in a divorce. The parent that the child lives with usually shoulders most of the financial burden. Additionally, that parent has no say or control over how the other parent chooses to allocate their money. I’m sure in your family both of you discuss financial issues and how it impacts your family.</p>

<p>Do some kids of divorce have a slight advantage? Maybe the first year, though if you read several of the earlier posts it states if the other parent contributes to cover tuition etc it will be counted on the FAFSA in following years. </p>

<p>I’m sorry if I am coming across a little bitter. But I really wish people would have to walk a mile in a divorced parent’s shoes before making judgement. </p>

<p>For what it’s worth my child may not be able to attend a first choice school either. It is what it is.</p>

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Your x divorced you, not the children. That is why courts award child support.</p>

<p>You’re right my ex and I divorced but that does not change the fact that I have no control or input into his financial decisions, unlike married couples who choose jointly how to spend their income.</p>

<p>For what it’s worth child support stops at age 18 and in Wisconsin where I live it is only set at 17% of gross income. That money doesn’t go too far…</p>

<p>Our EFC is 0 too, genuinely. Once child support stops in June, my disability check is it for the two of us. My son’s dad isn’t in the picture at all, he flat out refuses to pay one penny towards our son’s college education or anything else after high school graduation, yet he thinks he’s going to show up and be the big man on campus when our kid moves into the dorms in the fall. My son can barely stand the sight of him and almost never does.</p>

<p>I called both the FAFSA hotline and the financial aid office at the college my son was accepted at before filing my FAFSA to find out if I was filing correctly and both said I was.</p>

<p>When I filled out our FAFSA, you bet I only used my income, although I rightly included child support and when that ends, I’m going to call my son’s college and apply for a special circumstances scholarship. We picked a school that is reportedly very good for his area of interest and is still very affordable. It’s only about $20,000 a year and I’m praying we can get 3/4 of that covered and the rest we can take out Stafford loans for.</p>

<p>He was accepted at Penn State and UConn, but it was way out of our league financially, even given what we might qualify for with our EFC. We picked a good school that’s within our range and if he wants to transfer at some point if our situation changes, then he will.</p>

<p>Ack, another edit to add: he was accepted at all of these schools before we filled out his FAFSA; he was never accepted or rejected at the pile of schools he applied at based on his EFC of 0.</p>

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<p>congratulations on your sensible approach</p>

<p>I’m sorry, but you are missing the point. Parents decide whether to give their kids money for college. Divorce is irrelevant. My wife can no more force me to spend my paycheck on my kids for college, than you can force your ex. Moreover, children are emancipated at age 18, so <em>any</em> support from parents is legally voluntary.</p>

<p>The arithmetic looks like this: you want your ex to give more money to your child than your ex is willing, so you think others should fill the gap. We will just have to disagree.</p>

<p>yet he thinks he’s going to show up and be the big man on campus when our kid moves into the dorms in the fall. My son can barely stand the sight of him and almost never does.</p>

<p>Heck…if that’s the case…don’t give him any info. Don’t tell him the move in date or which dorm he’s going into. You’re under no obligation to provide him one iota of info.</p>

<p>If necessary, arrange to have your son move in a day early…seriously. Many schools allow this because of other campus activities and such.</p>

<p>^^ soooo off-topic, but dad celebrating son’s college arrival does not sound horrible to me. EVEN if dad did not pay to get him there, keeping him involved may 1)convince him to support college in the future; and 2)is at a minimum, another congrats for the kid.</p>

<p>Thank you to all who commented.</p>

<p>First, my frustration is that FASFA does a wholesale exclusion from consideration any income by a noncustodial parent - regardless of involvement, income, or assets. Clearly, when this system was designed it must have been to address the situation of the kids who have noncustodial parents who are “deadbeats” for want of a better term. I commend the parents who have responded that raised their children to be successful students as single parents. I also raised a child as a single parent and know the challenges. I applaud FASFA for not excluding from consideration from financial aid, the children of deadbeat parents, obviously recognizing that deadbeat parents are not going to provide tax returns and financial information. That’s appropriate.</p>

<p>What is not appropriate is a system that subsidizes the education of children from wealthy parents via the wholesale exclusion from consideration the income of noncustodial parents who have been supporting their children regardless of income, assets and ability to pay - while at the same time, considering the income of married parents who have similarly been supporting their children. Where’s the rationale? How is this fair?</p>

<p>Child support obligations do terminate at the age of eighteen - for all parents - regardless of custody arrangements. That’s simply the law because they are considered “adults.” Yet, children of married parents compete for financial aid with the children of divorced parents - even if one of those divorced parents is quite wealthy - resulting in those children receiving less financial assistance, students and married parents struggling to pay high costs of college (with many of the parents nearing retirement age), and graduating with crippling educational loans. </p>

<p>Financial aid is a finite resource. It should be allocated appropriately.</p>

<p>I know of another instance where the child has lived with his mother his entire life. They never married. His father is a wealthy professional who owns a home worth in excess of two million dollars, has no other children, and has supported the mother and the child his entire life. They have always had a very close relationship. They enjoy vacations, each own their own home, and have all the luxuries one would want. The mother has had the benefit and leisure of working only part time. She has filled out the FASFA using only her income and has proudly proclaimed that the father will “give” the child the same “child support money” that he paid for his own use and enjoyment in college or “bank”it for him to be received on graduation. They can do this apparently. While I shudder at the massive cost of education that I will be paying for my child - because I stayed married - and have many sleepless nights worrying about it. </p>

<p>Please do not assume that all divorced parents have adversarial relationships; or that all married parents enjoy a consistently harmonious decision-making process when it comes to their children. . </p>

<p>It is shameful that wealthy parents can take advantage of a system that was clearly created to address the situations of deadbeat parents. </p>

<p>A system that facilitates and enables this must be changed.</p>

<p>The young lady who began this post recognizes that something is terribly wrong here. She feels guilty and concerned enough to initiate this post. One must wonder what children learn when many of their peers cannot afford to attend college and have financially struggling married parents and/ or will be saddled with massive educational loans while others who are the product of divorced or unmarried noncustodial parents who are wealthy have their education subsidized - and their parents continue to enjoy expensive homes, luxuries, and lavish vacations. And, instead of graduating with student loans, they are handed a passbook to a bank account.</p>

<p>Remember, the children are watching. What lessons are learned here?</p>

<p>Thanks for trying to see both sides of the picture WorriedMom. I understand your frustration and your view point especially considering the example you provided. I don’t think there is a win-win situation for everyone. </p>

<p>There will always be people who work the system. I want to believe that the majority of people are honest and do the right thing. </p>

<p>If more rules were added I think it would hurt the kids who need the federal aid the most. Deadbeat dads can be poor, rich or somewhere in between. Some of the ones I know are well off and could help improve their kids standard of living yet know exactly how to keep from paying their child support just to spite the ex-wife. I would guess they would also be inclined to not provide financial records of any kind even if they were required.</p>

<p>Maybe sometime in the future a great solution will be found to make it fair to everyone. For now I guess we can just do our best to make sure our kids lives are better.</p>

<p>"There will always be people who work the system. I want to believe that the majority of people are honest and do the right thing."so very true, in all aspects of life.
I work for Medicaid and can’t stand the many recipients with wealthy children who hire elder law attorneys to make them poor enough on paper to qualify for MA and get home care, so they can get a (m)aide as many call them. Someone paid for by Medicaid to take them to WalMart, the salon, etc. Someone to clean their house and do their errands because their kids are “too busy” to get involved or they don’t want to “bother” them. Some of these folks are supposed to pay an "overage’ every month to access MA benefits but refuse to do so and thus get free home care like a live in, until they die and the’busy’ kids are taking the retirement check. It is sick! But typical of the trend in this society.
The FAFSA does have a section to include other income received, earned and unearned.
Most colleges ask for a copy of the student and parent tax return.</p>

<p>Mezzo, I am in NY also, single mom, and never got any assistance from my youngest’s dad. She did very well in HS, so all colleges accepted her and offered good financial aid. She only has to pay about 2k back in loans, because the college is meeting all need thru grants and WS. Your D has a good chance to earn the same, if she is doing well in HS. </p>

<p>DONT be afraid to apply for private colleges, I almost missed out on the school she attends at present because of that. Research how schools calculate the cost of attending (some include everything; R&B, traveling, tuition, etc) while others only count tuition and R&B in the “total” cost. Find out how they assign the aid, is it based on total cost or just tuition, R & B? Do they base their aid on the EFC only or do they have their own calculator? Do include a personal Financial Statement explaining special circumstances in your family. Mine included the fact that I was on Public Assistance for a few yrs and incurred a lot of credit card debt that I was still paying, there are a lot of variables that are not part of the application that could impact the aid package. </p>

<p>NYS is the worst in the child support area, they only do it in order to offset any benefits they give you, after you are off the public assistance, they could care less about enforcing or requesting an increase in support. My D only got 200bucks a month all her life, and never on time. I asked for increases but got nowhere. So be it.
We fill out a non custodial waiver for the CSS profile, sent a letter to the school about the sperm donor and we pay about 6-7k at the private school in MA. Make sure you do your research well. And apply to private schools with need base aid. good luck to you</p>

<p>Wow, what a thread. First,for Emily,I could suggest to you that if you feel the need to give back for that which society has granted you,there are many scholarships to which you may contribute.There are also many organizations at your school that you can join and supply a helping hand to the less fortunate. Just be careful not to post it here or you may enrage some people that you did it with their money. Hopefully,your education will enable you to earn a good income and pay a lot of taxes!
Now,for the rest of us poor parents, let us look at the entire situation. The present system gives out in total about 120 Billion on college aid and loans. My daughter is in grad school.and five years ago the figure was about 80 billion. Do you really think the the GNP of this nation has granted such riches that this level of growth is sustainable? The dirty little secret here is that the reason college costs so much is that the level of government largess is driving the cost of college at a pace that makes most other expenses seem like a bargain. Perhaps the reasoning behind this can best be illustrated by looking at our local high school.When I went to high school,there were 1050 kids that attended our little school district. The total budget was 920,000. Now it is 6.5 million and there are only 520 kids attending the place. Last year,the voters voted 65% yes vote to build a new school for 21 million. We all thought this was great because 3 million was the local share.There is a little town 3 miles away that is doing the same thing. We are talking construction costs of 40 grand per kid here,and no one must think that they live in the state that they will in fact pay back to build the new schools
Now that brings us back to this thread. I happen to think that if the cost of college were not supported by the taxpayers at large,we would all benefit in that tuition would have long ago stabilized at a point that would have provided the maximum level of education at a cost that was affordable to the largest number of people. No one has even suggested how fair the whole system is for those who do not have children, or for some working class schmoe who son is not smart enough for college and is wearing himself out at work while paying taxes to support our kids’ subsidy
My daughter benefited somewhat from a low EFC --lower in some years than others. I hope that her taxes will pay back the system,but I also believe that the system would be much more fair without subsidy.</p>