Will they confuse retirement $ for college $?

<p>Hey guys, heres my dilemma:</p>

<p>I really want to go JHU and I know with everything, it ends up costing quite a bit, and I also know that financial aid is quite generous there. In addition, my parents make very little money as only my dad works. They have saved up, but they have constantly told me that the money they have saved up (close to ~50K) is for their retirement, as they fully expect me to pay my way through college through financial aid. My question is that, based on the facts that my parents have 50K in CD's (cash deposits), and that my dad makes under $17000 a year, are my chances for receiving full aid narrower because of the savings (Based on the college's financial aid policy of meeting 100% of the student's need)? What should I do (I have one more year of high school left)? Thankyou.</p>

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Will they confuse retirement $ for college $?

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<p>It depends on what account the money is in. If the money is not in an IRA, 401k, 403b or other type of account that is geared toward retirements and just in a regular checking , CD. money market account then it will be considered an assets in your parents name and will be a factor in determining your EFC. Since you state the money is in a CD it will be expected the money be used for your college.</p>

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they fully expect me to pay my way through college through financial aid.

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<p>This is not going to happen as financial aid, even need based is predicated on the fact that your parents are the first stop in paying for your education. YOur parents will have to file the FAFSA and the CSS profile. Based on their income, and assets (incluiding home equity) the school will come up with an expected family contiribution. The amount that your parents should be paying out of pocket along with the amount that you should be paing out of pocket, based on your income, assets and summer earnings.</p>

<p>Even in schools that meet 100% demonstrated need, your package will consists of work-study, scholarship/grant aid and loans.</p>

<p>according to the college board, JHU packages their aid as 74% scholarships/ grants and 26% loans/workstudy</p>

<p><a href="http://apps.collegeboard.com/search/CollegeDetail.jsp?collegeId=808&profileId=2%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://apps.collegeboard.com/search/CollegeDetail.jsp?collegeId=808&profileId=2&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Wow, thank you for your information. Should I tell them they should move the money to a retirement funds account since it may hurt my chances for aid? Will it then still be considered as an asset in determing my "EFC"?
Again, thanks for your input!</p>

<p>bm95050 -- </p>

<p>your parents need to educate themselves on how the whole paying for college thing works -- and fast!!</p>

<p>don't forget -- home equity is also counted.</p>

<p>have them go to <a href="http://finaid.org/calculators/finaidestimate.phtml%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://finaid.org/calculators/finaidestimate.phtml&lt;/a> and put some numbers into the calculator. JHU used the institutional methodology.</p>

<p>I know there is a certain $ amount of "asset protection" provided in the finaid calculation. In other words, families can have a $ amount in assets that are not tapped for college expenses. Sybbie may know that amount. Still, all colleges make some assumptions about payment. First, there will be an expectation that YOU the student will contribute to your expenses, and that is figured into your finaid award. Also, as pointed out, other assets, particularly home equity, are tapped as schools like JHU. I'm not saying you shouldn't apply to JHU, but do NOT apply ED, and make sure you have some other schools on your list that are financially reachable if that is a significant consideration for your family.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.fafsa.com/fmtables.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.fafsa.com/fmtables.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I hope that this helps.</p>

<p>Thanks hsmomstef, I went to the website you provided and based on the information I entered (to the best of my knowledge), the results are:
Estimated Parents' Contribution 0
Adjusted for Number in College 0
Estimated Student's Contribution 1000</p>

<p>Thus, I guess my parent's assets really aren't getting in the way of me being eligible for substantial financial aid. Thanks.</p>

<p>there will be a big difference between the numbers your get for the FAFSA which only determines your eligibility for federal aid (pell grants and loans) and the CSS profile which is what the college uses to determine how they are going to distribute their institutional funds .</p>

<p>I would recommend running your numbers on the college board's FA calculator using both the federal and the institutional methodology.</p>

<p>Differences between the IM and FM models include:</p>

<p>IM collects information on estimated academic year family income, medical expenses, elementary and secondary school tuition and unusual circumstances. FM omits these questions.</p>

<p>IM considers a fuller range of family asset information, while FM ignores assets of siblings, all assets of certain families with less than $50,000 of income, and both home and family farm equity.</p>

<p>FM defines income as the “adjusted gross income” on federal tax returns, plus various categories of untaxed income. IM includes in total income any paper depreciation, business, rental or capital losses which artificially reduce adjusted gross income.</p>

<p>FM does not assume a minimum student contribution to education; IM expects the student, as primary beneficiary of the education, to devote some time each year to earning money to pay for education.</p>

<p>FM ignores the noncustodial parent in cases of divorce or separation; IM expects parents to help pay for education, regardless of current marital status.</p>

<p>FM and IM apply different percentages to adjust the parental contribution when multiple siblings are simultaneously enrolled in college, and IM considers only siblings enrolled in undergraduate programs.</p>

<p>The IM expected family share represents a best estimate of a family’s capacity (relative to other families) to absorb, over time, the costs of education. It is not an assessment of cash on hand, a value judgment about how much a family should be able to use current income, or a measure of liquidity. The final determinations of demonstrated need and awards rest with the University and are based upon a uniform and consistent treatment of family circumstances.</p>

<p>Except in the most extraordinary circumstances, Colleges classifies incoming students as dependent upon parents for institutional aid purposes, even though some students may meet the federal definition of “independence.”</p>

<p>Students enrolling as dependent students are considered dependent throughout their undergraduate years when need for institutional scholarships is determined.</p>

<p>For institutional aid purposes a student may not “declare” independence due to attainment of legal age, internal family arrangements, marriage or family disagreements.</p>

<p>Your COA (cost of attendance) is tuition, room board, books travel expenses and some misc. expenses associated with attending college.</p>

<p>No matter how you slice it, $180,000 is a lot of money. Your parents have already stated that they can't/won't pay/borrow this amount because they feel that you have more viable options (a good in-state school, and a school where you are getting a considerable FA package that most likely has merit money within it). </p>

<p>As a student, there are cumulative limit of $23,000 which you can borrow for an undergraduate education using stafford or perkins loans.</p>

<p>bm95050</p>

<p>If your parents make under $17,000 and are able to file one of the short forms (1040A or 1040EZ) they may be able to qualify for the "Simplified Needs Test" or the Automatic Zero-EFC....</p>

<p>I encourage you to read Paying for College Without Going Broke by Kalman Chany.</p>

<p>fresnomom--- I believe that the simplified needs test is only applicable to fafsa schools -- and i think that the OP will definitely qualify for significant aid at those schools.</p>

<p>JHU, however, uses the profile -- and the simplified needs test does not apply.</p>

<p>The issue if not whether the original poster will recieve any aid -- I think there is no question that she qualifies for aid. But with few assets -- and those earmarked for retirement, and such a low income, even an EFC of $6000 may be too much. this is why it is important to talk about this an plan it out now!</p>

<p>Thanks so much guys...I have alot of more confidence now over this aid issue...I was starting to think I should look only at closer schools (I like in Dallas, TX) like UTD (which I still consider to an extent) or Baylor (which I heard is extremely generous with merit aid (?))...I will discuss this with my parents soon.. :-)</p>