<p>gellino,
When I say Harvard, Wharton, and Princeton have their own tier, I mean those are the top three schools in term of having the most analysts on Wall Street. I never said students at those schools have a better chance. For instance, students at Wharton doesn't have better chances than students at Dartmouth and Yale. The fact that Wharton sends so many of its students to Wall Street i-banks is because the number of its undergrads is larger than the number of economics majors at Harvard, Princeton, Dartmouth, Yale, and Stanford combined. Stop suggesting that "the same candidate out of Yale may have a better chance." That's simply not true.</p>
<p>I agree with IPBear. Harvard, Wharton, and Princeton are super-targets because of the number of students interested in ib at those schools. Students at other schools at that level are not as represented because they are not as interested in ib.</p>
<p>I mainly just felt that the Yale grad didn't have a lesser chance, which is what I thought was being implied by some of the posts; especially in comparison to schools like Dartmouth and Duke, which are usually thought of as weaker schools.</p>
<p>"...Dartmouth and Duke, which are usually thought of as weaker schools."</p>
<p>I don't know what type of people you have been hang around with, but Dartmouth and Duke are hardly thought of as weaker than Yale in i-banking. Students at Yale can be compared to students at UChicago. They have a greater tendency to go into economics research.</p>
<p>gellino,
You are always arguing in Yale's favor. Did you attend Yale?</p>
<p>Williams produces the hottest cnbc anchors ever. Go there</p>
<p>haha, unfortunately there were only like 2 really attractive girls there when I visited...</p>
<p>I didn't attend Yale or really even like Yale in comparison to Princeton or Dartmouth, but in four Wall St positions I have never come across this anti-Yale bias that seems to exist on here. I think most people would regard Yale as stronger than Dartmouth and Duke. Not that I'm a big believer in USNWR, but I don't think Yale has ever been ranked below either. There really is no such thing as who is considered stronger in investment banking between Yale, Dartmouth, Duke considering as far as I know there are no UG business courses at any of those schools. It's just a matter of firms recruiting at these schools and trying to find good candidates; no matter which school they attend. </p>
<p>Have you ever interviewed candidates and then discussed afterwards who should be given an offer and who shouldn't? In my experience in this realm, no one is discussing what school candidates went to at that point or even remotely making implications like, "we're not going to take this guy because he goes to Yale, but if he just went to Duke then he would get an offer. It doesn't work like that at all. Alumni presence in industry is much more important after entry level positions or for firms without a formal on-campus recruiting process. However, there are still going to be plenty of alums from Yale to contact as well. Not to mention possibly the most important reason of all: when most students enter college they have no idea what they want to do or if they are good enough or would like to work in IB; so the last thing they should be concerned with is that last year seven Duke alums went to work as an analyst at Morgan Stanley and only five did from Yale. You have no idea of the particular case of each person was. It is basically similar to someone posting a chances thread saying they have a 1470 SAT, top 1% of class and class president; what are their chances to be accepted at Dartmouth? Besides saying you wouldn't be surprised if they were and wouldn't be surprised if they weren't, there's really nothing more constructive you can provide without knowing more about the person and what needs the school is particularly looking to fill.</p>
<p>gellino,
You finally admitted a student who goes to Yale has no advantage over a student who goes to Duke when it comes to IB. This is quite contrary to your frequent assertion that "candidate out of Yale may have a better chance."</p>
<p>Take your stick out of your ass, IPBear.</p>
<p>I have no vested interest in Yale, I just wanted to refute the notion that grads at schools like Dartmouth and Duke, which are generally considered lower in the pecking order of schools than Yale, do not have an advantage in IB interviews over Yale students. I realize as a Princeton student you need to negate anything that is ever said positive about Yale, but in my experience have not found it to be the case.</p>
<p>gellino,
My whole family work in IB. I don't think my parents will try to disillusion their kids at Princeton and Dartmouth with stuff about how great their futures will be. Dude, just don't keep on saying a student at Yale may have a better chance. It kinda insinuate that students Yale have better chances. Like you said, it comes down to individual statistics at that level.</p>
<p>"The only schools on par with Harvard and Wharton are Harvard and Wharton -- maybe throw in Yale and P'ton too."</p>
<p>nodnard,
By the way, what gives a Penn CAS student the right to make absurd statements on this forum? Thanks for throwing my school in there. Though it doesn't mean much coming from an ignorant ******* like you.</p>
<p>Dude, be nice to the Penn kid. I'm surprised that you took the time to refute that opinionated statement of his. Haha. You don't still have a grudge against Penn, do you? I hope you are not still disgruntled about the fact that Penn didn't agree to match Yale's financial aid package.</p>
<p>I worked in IB too. It doesn't mean I'm the arbiter in deciding what colleges will best optimize students' futures; so what makes your parents any more informed or entitled? </p>
<p>If you're that thin-skinned about someone suggesting a reason why a Yale grad may have a better chance procuring a job in IB than one from Princeton or Dartmouth, good luck actually trying to succeed at the job.</p>
<p>gellino,
On the one hand, I said Harvard, Wharton, and Princeton are on their own tier (top three) in terms of having the number of grads working on Wall Street. Can you refute that? You can't, because your previous post supported it. On the other hand, you kept on insisting that Yale students generally had better chances at getting jobs on Wall Street. Can you prove it? I would like to see you try.
My parents' statement has more credential than yours because they claim students at Princeton and Dartmouth with 3.72+ GPA has bright future. They are not making any general comparisons, and most people would agree with them. You suggest that Yale students have brighter futures than students at "weaker schools" such as Princeton and Dartmouth.
I did internships at Morgan Stanley and McKinsey during my sophomore and junior summers. Yes, Yale offers advantages, but other schools offer advantages as well. Therefore, Yale's students don't generally have better chances in IB just because Yale offers some unique advantages.</p>
<p>IPBear, why are you defending your school against your second favorite school?</p>
<p>bermudask8er7,
Because I was bored. I wanted some debates and found gellino making a debatable claim. It amusing that gellino actually thought I had something against Yale when he stated: "I realize as a Princeton student you need to negate anything that is ever said positive about Yale." I guess it didn't occur to gellino that I'm a grad student who is already too old for the "my school is better than yours" debates of high school and college students.</p>
<p>By the way, how did you know about the Penn thing? Did Pearson tell you? I hope she also told you that I didn't expect Penn to agree when I asked it to match Yale's finaid. If it's her, I would be surprised that she's still telling students after all these years.</p>
<p>One, just because a school has more grads in the industry than another does not make it in a higher tier, which implies your chances are better by attending one of these schools. I am not 'insisting' Yale students have a better chance for a brighter future. So, you are saying that your parents' statement has more credibility because they said it? Also, how do you attend Princeton when you are having trouble formulating basic English sentences?</p>
<p>There is a big difference between a general claim and a specific comparison. General claims are much harder to refute than specific comparisons. Their general statement has more credibility because it is much easier to backup, while yours on Yale is better cannot be backed up. Do I have to break it down like this in order for you to understand? Perhaps even this is not enough. Perhaps you need an example in order to comprehend this complex concept? Alright. #1. General claim: "Princeton and Dartmouth enable many students to have bright futures." #2. Specific comparision: "Yale grads have better chances than Princeton and Dartmouth grads." Now you tell me whether statement #1 or statement #2 is more likely to be right?
I think the problem resides with your comprehension skills rather than my writing skills, which I admit isn't very good.
Alright, I'm getting bored with this. This is my last post on this thread. It seems you want to have a debate on whether Princeton, Harvard, or Yale is better. I'm sure you will find plenty of high school and college students who would be thrilled to have that debate with you.</p>
<p>lol... wow TOOOOO FUNNY</p>
<p>lol...so does anyone wanna talk about Williams or is it too far below all of your schools...even yale haha</p>