<p>"Lecturing" and "chastising" are not the same as "dissing."
not even close.
get a thesaurus. please.</p>
<p>Four way ad hominem attacks are ugly. </p>
<p>I don't get people who are so petty as to pick on words previously said. If someone says, "I don't mean to diss..." maybe they really mean it. </p>
<p>Maybe you interpreted a previous statement wrongly. Maybe the person is being ingenuine. But whatever -- since it's your first time picking on it, there's this thing called "assume good faith" (AGF) that should be done until the next infraction.</p>
<p>So I was rereading this to try and see what set this off.... Vistany: I definitely never commented on Barrett at all! When I said getting Cs in high school means you'll have to work hard in college, I was referring to the OP and hadn't read Barrett's post (even though it was right on top of mine). There's a BIG difference between one C and Cs (and I definitely said Cs, plural) such as op's gpa. So hopefully we can all stop knocking eachother now and just go back to helping prospees with questions???</p>
<p>Shoebox, </p>
<p>For the record, I always find your posts informative and polite. Your background is unique as a transfer to UVA, and now with your role as an official guide at UVA, you clearly know lots that the rest of us don't have a clue about. You have a passion for UVA, and it shows!
Please continue to give advice on CC. IMO the majority of people on UVA/CC learn very important ways of looking at the admissions process and life at UVA through your posts ( I'm one of those people). Gosh, I remember when we didn't hear from you for a while after the Va. Tech shootings>>seemed like days; we didn't know if you were ........I won't say it. Well, nonetheless, it brings back memories of last Spring when I found your posts very helpful. Thank you for a year's worth of advice you've shared with me.</p>
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"Lecturing" and "chastising" are not the same as "dissing."
not even close.
get a thesaurus. please.
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<p>The words "lecturing", "chatising" and "dissing" were all used by Shoebox10. I attached the quotes as written. Can I trouble you to be specific about who you are addressing? Is that Shoebox10 or someone else?</p>
<p>galosien
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I think referencing statements made over the past day are fair game. </p>
<p>Good faith is not crapping on others who are struggling IMHO.</p>
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<p>While I agree with you here, the best philosophy is to accept a person's defence (and denial of an accused attitude) the first time.</p>
<p>Most of all, remember that ad hominem is a fallacy -- simply because the policeman once drove drunk doesn't mean he has less of a right to stop you for the same crime ...</p>
<p>Hay Caramba, it's time for this thread to either get on the right track or self-terminate. I think the latter.</p>
<p>I'm almost in a similar situation myself ... I decided to be a perfectionist (overwhelmed with other things) and and hand in makeup work for AP English just before the marking period closed. Oops. My essays were all graded 9's (full score) My teacher reassured me he would try to amend the grade, but the 74 I got in the mail could have been before the amendment -- and I'm not sure if a successful amendment is even possible.</p>
<p>If worst comes to worst -- this is just a 3rd quarter grade: since I normally get 96+ for this subject and I'll probably get my high grade back this quarter (4th quarter) -- if that D becomes disguised as a second semester B, would it help things a lot? The 3rd quarter however will be printed on my transcript....</p>
<p>The other thing is if I do get that nasty letter, and that grade remains unamended, would they accept an explanation of, "I was overwhelmed with an avalanche of needed paperwork [some related to my green card], tests (especially from my dual-enrolled courses), helping my mother fill out her tax return on time, which was not helped by perfectionism?" Would the explanation of, "my teacher wanted to amend the grade but technical impossibility prevented it" be of any use?</p>
<p>I'm so ashamed to be in this situation -- to think just a few weeks ago I was so elated and proud.</p>
<p>galoisien,
You are human. UVA will accept a thoughtful explanation from you should it prove to be necessary.</p>
<p>galosien: </p>
<p>Don't sweat it; it's a third quarter grade. You still have 4th quarter and if that's the only grade that's a D while the rest are As, they won't call you demanding to know why. Nasty letters are reserved more for the people who slip in the D range for most of their subjects and stay there 3rd and 4th quarter. Yours is an isolated incident and you aren't showing a lack of motivation or drive. Just calm down and breathe. :) If it makes you feel any better, a friend of mine ended up with a D for the year (he had an A 1st semester so imagine how much he slacked off) and a couple of Bs but UVa didn't call him or ask anything. You're overstressing for no reason. And I'm pretty sure UVa asks for your final transcipt and your final grades; they don't ask for quarter stuff.</p>
<p>Edit: I thought only final grades were put on transcripts?</p>
<p>I'm pretty sure only final grades show up on transcripts. I remember my high school transcript only had each class, each year, and the final grade. So, make sure the final grade is ok.</p>
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<p>We can't help it, years of sweating every detail has bought us to this ugly place. It's become a habit. :-)</p>
<p>I thought a final grade (not quarter grade) of C or D in anything got you the dreaded "please explain yourself letter"</p>
<p>Do you know someone who has received the "letter" and finally had their acceptance rescinded?
We are stressing at home about possible Cs in two APs.
Is it possible that after being acccepted to all the colleges you applied to, you commit to one ( UVA) and you end up with no place to go?
Please advice..</p>
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Dean J has commented, I believe on multiple occasions, that UVa rescinds a “handful” (my word not hers) of decisions every year. It’s most unpleasant for everyone involved. You don’t want to go there.
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<p>HHD wrote this comment in another thread that dealt with how far you could slide before getting admissions rescinded and I would trust HHD; he's been an integral part of the UVa thread for quite some time.</p>
<p>Thanks db. So a "handful" means..about 10..I suposse.. We are going to trust God. He is working hard and has no sign of senioritis at all, so lets hope he is not part of the handful and doesn't end up going to the community college.
I really thought that after being aceppted and going back 3 times to visit each college and making the decision, we will have some peace..
Do you have any idea when are the letters sent?</p>
<p>I'm assuming after final grades have been sent to UVa. Dean J would know a lot more about this obviously; it just makes sense that if these letters were sent because of academic reasons, they would come out in the summer.</p>
<p>If your son has a tough courseload, then UVa is generally willing to overlook one or two Cs if all of the other grades are the same. They usually send out academic "explain yourself" letters to those students who have fallen from consistently getting A/Bs to consistently getting C/D/Fs. </p>
<p>And I understand
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but if you're going to obsess that much, you're going to have a horrible time in college. You need to learn to prioritize and let things go (if necessary). In the big scheme of things, a B or C won't kill you. Italian, as I told galosien, you're overstressing for no reason. Just make sure that your son understands that he needs to compensate for those Cs 4th quarter but let him enjoy the little time he has left of high school as well. </p>
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<p>Don't even entertain the idea that your son may be going to community college because he slipped to a C or two. You'll put unneccessary stress on yourself, your son, and your relationship. If he continues to slip and somehow manages a few Cs and Ds on his final transcript (which seems highly unlikely since senioritis hasn't caught him) AND gets the dreaded letter, UVa will give him a chance to explain himself. Some schools also ask for a teacher recommendation and generally will put the student on academic probation (i.e. he'll have to meet certain requirements 1st semester). They try not to pull admissions offers completely away. The most probable case senario IF he gets a letter: he will need to explain himself and will be put on academic probation. If he commits a felony: chance to explain and then rescind admission. :) But good luck! Stop overstressing and enjoy the spring.</p>
<p>Thanks a lot for all your advise.. we will do so.. Enjoy spring and summer. He talked his counselor today and advice was similar..
Thanks again.</p>
<p>I'll add in my two cents again, even though I got ambushed last time for saying this:
one or two Cs, especially in a tough courseload, should not be fretted about. As long as everything else is A/Bs and hopefully your GPA is above a 3.0, you will most likely be ok. Even if you do get a letter, a quick response about what happened, what will change, and how this is improving you as a person will set things clear. UVa doesn't want to rescind admissions, it's as tough on them as it is on the kid. But a slew of Cs/Ds, and probably even one F, for final grades, will warrant a letter. But a couple of Cs won't kill anyone, especially in APs.
Also, I hope you're meaning Cs on the final grades, not just the end of the semester. I'm almost certain high school transcripts ONLY show final grades, not semesters. This isn't like the mid-year report where you report semester grades, you're only reporting the final grade in each class for the year. Some students are freaking about a C for 3rd quarter or even second semester, when they'll still have a B for the year. But even a C for the year won't do you in. Start worrying when you get a D or F.</p>
<p>Best advice: work as hard as you can to get As/Bs for final grades. If you get a C or two, just wait it out and see if you get a letter, or even send in a letter on your own if you're really worried. There's no point in worrying about something that might not happen, especially when it comes to do with college admission.</p>
<p>No I wasnt meaning Cs on the final grade. I was talking about C+s on third quarter and possible C+s on fourth. I dont know how this adds up for the final grade.
I dont know how to add letters . Unless they represented a number or were a variable in an ecuation . Well I went to college long time ago and in a different country... maybe that's why.
Correct me if I'm wrong... Shouldn't a College's decision of taking someone in, be consistent and respected by any College?. What I mean is.. after looking to an application that shows 3 and a half years of someone's life, including recomendation letters and essays, and choosing 3,000 out of 16,000...Shouldn't they stick to their decision? There are risks in any decision and yes, someone can slip and get not-so-good-grades the last semester.. But shouldn't their application reflect who they really are and make the College confident that they are accepting the right person?
Maybe I'm wrong..</p>
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Shouldn't they stick to their decision? There are risks in any decision and yes, someone can slip and get not-so-good-grades the last semester.. But shouldn't their application reflect who they really are and make the College confident that they are accepting the right person?
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<p>When a student accepts on offer of admission, they accept an offer. The college has the right to rescind that offer if the student does not hold up their end of the bargain. The student has a responsibility to the college to continue their work. It's like getting a job you start in a few months and because you know you're getting a new job, you completely disregard what you have at the moment. Some students don't continue to work.</p>
<p>Colleges stick to their decision if if the student sticks to the commitment that they made. And colleges want to be confident in the people they accept. That's one of the numerous reasons they expect you to continue with your work. Your placing the responsibility on the wrong party here. The person that is responsible is the student; the college has done its part.</p>
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<p>They do. Generally, an A=4, a B=3, etc. The grading scale differs from school district to school district so ask your son; he should know. And to find your final grade, you add up the grade percent for each quarter and divide by 4. (Generally. again, ask your son.)</p>