<p>Wow, PG, 7:58 AM and you are on CC already. I thank you for clear it up for me. I don’t have a “sense of entitlement” but it may have come across that way. </p>
<p>I was always under the impression that study abroad is only for the best students. Because I have heard so many times that someone “wants” to go but there are not enough space for them. In many of the programs, only 25 ~ 30% of the appicants get to go.</p>
<p>You know, there are many advantages to being a morning person. </p>
<p>Whether study abroad is reserved for the best students or not, it still must be paid for, and that burden should indeed fall on the student and/or student’s family. Study abroad is elective. A school which is already coming up with a (hypothetical) $47K every year should not be on the hook for an additional $3K.</p>
<p>Can the student tutor or babysit while abroad? Or could the family sell a camera or skip a vacation or something to help defray the cost?</p>
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<p>Perhaps this student should have earned that extra $1000 working a summer job.</p>
<p>Work study (as Xiggi noted on page 1 of this thread) is usually an annual award. The student can earn UP TO a certain amount during that school year. It’s not usually that they can only earn $X in one term. </p>
<p>The student could earn some of the extra in the fall quarter and some extra in the spring quarter…and they could be working this summer too.</p>
<p>Study abroad is a CHOICE…no one has to do study abroad, and in fact there are students who do not do so because the costs are too high for their families to support. If the finances are a HUGE issue, I would say the family should be reconsidering the option to study abroad. But really for $1000…the student COULD earn that money during the other quarters…and in the summer. OR reduce personal expenses to help offset some of that “lost income”.</p>
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<p>Level of knowledge is NOT the definition of "first generation. For most…it means that the college student is the FIRST in their family to attend college. I don’t think that is the case with the OP…</p>
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<p>Your trip Dad II? Maybe not Hawail, but a trip to Italy would be viewed as discretionary spending by most…and especially IF the family was struggling with trying to figure out how to “raise” an addition $1000 in money due to lost W-S income potential. </p>
<p>Sorry…I would say the first way to deal with the W-S potential income loss is to tighten one’s belt at home…no trips abroad or anywhere else for the family.</p>
<p>Look…we just finished paying for two kids to go to college AND we JUST took our first vacation in those 7 years.</p>
<p>Many colleges and universities have their own study abroad programs, and others have shared programs with other schools. Few, to my knowledge, are particularly competitive to get into. It is more a matter of desire to go and ability to pay. </p>
<p>How many of your family members did you take on the summer holiday to Europe? If
airfare, as you posted, was around $1500pp-- or even if you found a bargain airfare at half that-- travel to/from and around Europe is not cheap. You are free to spend your money as you choose. But don’t expect Stanford to fund your dau’s study abroad b/c you want to spend your money on luxuries. Can you really not see how this offends so many posters here???</p>
<p>Surely you will find some study abroad program that comes with a scholarship or free travel money or a paid stipend or a TA assistantship and your dau will likely make money in the long run. You really are a master at finding ways to fund education. To claim ignorance or lack of experience makes no sense to posters here.</p>
<p>Ahhhh, that week in Europe. I had soooo much fun. That is one of the reasons I would encourage everyone to do a WS in Europe if possible.</p>
<p>In Italy, we stayed at this small town, Pavia, outside Milan. We went to a small restaurant rear town square and asked the owner to prepare a sampler of all salami. Unknowing that they have 14 different kinds of them. It took two bottles of wine to finish our meal.</p>
<p>I drove an Audi A6 on the autobahn between Frankfurt to Bonn, topping out at 210 km/hour (have pictures to prove it). Too bad the 2.0 diesel engine on that A6 just can’t keep up with the other BMW and Mercedes. Believe it or not, a Honda s2000 passed me on the left and the driver flip me the bird. If you can’t do 240 km/hour you better stay on the right lanes most of the time. </p>
<p>After the sunset dinner on the bank of Rhine River in Bonn listening the music of Beethoven. The first thing I did was e-mail my wife and promised her when both kids finish their college, we are going to take a real vacation in Europe. </p>
<p>Then I went back to write the 3D machine operation trial we did in the day. Folks, that was a working trip and I did not spend one penny of my own money.</p>
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Yup- you are definitely a master at living very, very well off of other people’s money. You should teach a course.</p>
<p>** If this was all company travel, why would you have cared one iota what the airfare cost? This doesn’t pass the smell test (though the part about getting flipped off is believable…)</p>
<p>It took two bottles of wine to finish our meal.</p>
<p>Which is why I don’t drive in Europe.
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<p>My H has travelled extensively all over the world for work. I don’t recall the cars he’s rented in Europe (or if he rented cars at all while there), but I know for sure he would never, ever put 2 bottles of wine on the company’s tab. Maybe if he was expected to pay for a table of 8-10 people. Otherwise it comes off as taking advantage of the employer.</p>
<p>When I am on a business trip I am careful about expensing drinks and the kind of car I rent. We generally have approved vendor/car class we could rent from. Anything over an above amount we have to pay out of pocket. I just came back from Brazil, even though I was able to ride in the front, I stayed at the Radisson. I was there for 3 days (10 hrs flight) and visited 2 cities. I certainly didn’t have any time to have 2 bottles of wine or listen to music. I guess IBs don’t waste as much money as one may think.</p>
<p>Come to think of it, most companies have strict guidelines about what can/cannot be expensed to them. Many do not permit alcohol at all. Many have per diems and limit what can be spent on food/lodging/transportation. Management doesn’t take kindly to employees taking advantage of the travel money. </p>
<p>There are many corporate credit cards that restrict where they will work (ie what kind of purchases they will work for). Also, many companies will review the corporate charges and charge back to the employee any excesses or items they do not cover. Might need to be on the lookout for this, DadII. You might be surprised to find that you will in fact be paying for wine, etc. Hope you bought cheap table wine.</p>
<p>oldfort, when we technical people travel alone, we have very simple meals with a couple of beers at best. On this particular trip, there was one sales guy who has an entertainment budget. He picked up all the bills, from morning coffee to dinners and drinks. </p>
<p>The company I work for has a very huge Europe HQ. They have several company cars. These are very decent cars because they often use these cars to visit customers. The day I went to sign up for a car, the Audi was available so I got it.</p>
<p>the best part of this trip were that I got lucky twice. </p>
<p>In Bonn, the hotel was over booked. They sent one of my German colleagues to a different hotel. For whatever reason, they upgraded me to the penthouse at the very top floor. </p>
<p>On my flight back from FRA to JFK, Delta again upgraded me to Business class w/o me even asking for it.</p>
<p>Sounds like you got lucky many times over-- wined and dined on the sales depts expense account, on top of all the other perks you described. </p>
<p>You still have not answered my question many many posts back-- what response were you expecting to your original post and follow-up post (#4, I believe)?</p>
<p>Dad II, another thing to consider is that at some schools, unless a student attends a study abroad program sponsored by his/her home school, the home school may not grant FA at all!</p>
<p>UChicago does this. So does Tufts. No FA if you attend a non-sponsored program. Happily, the math program S1 is attending costs less than a quarter of Chicago tuition/fees after FA, so we come out a little ahead. S2 plans to do some intensive foreign language study, but the language is not among Tufts’ sponsored programs. No FA for that, either.</p>
<p>I recommend you look up the study abroad policies at your children’s schools to see exactly how they handle the various overseas programs.</p>
<p>If your Stanford child goes abroad on a Stanford sponsored program, they will likely get a similar fin aid package, with consideration of the work study issue: “Since participants of Bing Overseas Studies Programs remain registered at Stanford, financial aid continues uninterrupted. The Financial Aid Office automatically adjusts aid packages in accordance with differences in travel and personal expenses while abroad, and with consideration for a student’s inability to work while out of the country.”</p>
<p>More info:
<a href=“Financial Aid : Stanford University”>Financial Aid : Stanford University;
<p>Don’t know where your other child will be attending school…but I’m sure you could find similar info. on their website (if it’s not Stanford.)</p>
<p>Sounds like Stanford FA will up the FA package to take into account that she can’t do work-study while abroad. Looks like a great deal.</p>