The Dallas families of the two OU SAE boys on the frat bus, both moved out of their homes once their info got out.
But, isn’t the lesson that you have to own your conduct?
Thanks alh! Just reread 848 myself and was mortified to see that autocorrect turned “asymmetries of power” into “assume tries of power” – aargh!
I’ve been thinking a lot about this episode because my kid will be headed off to college in the fall and because it’s really disheartening to see how little has changed in the almost 40 years since I went to college. In some ways, the climate today seems even more hostile for URM students than it was then. But we didn’t have the Internet, so maybe it’s just that the combination of wide/instantaneous distribution with little or no accountability has unleashed sentiments that people wouldn’t have dared to express face-to-face in any environment I would have frequented back then.
And hopefully those same concerns about personal safety extend to the Kristakises and their family.
Exacademic, the young lady has held several leadership positions at Yale, including the master selection committee, and in general seems to have enjoyed a plethora of travel and internship opportunities during her college years. I do not think based on that objective data there is cause to speculate Yale is socially hostile to URM’s. Negative talk about the student related to her behavior, not ethnicity.
“Hostile to URM students”? Riiighhhhtttt . . . . Everyone in the university environment is so sensitized to URMs that they quake in fear of the off-hand remark (“the sky is blue today”) being regarded as racist and worthy of an immediate “grieveance” filed agianst them for the perceived “microagression.” Careers are ruined, Decent people are hounded off into the woods.
Let these snowflakes go to West Point and see what “macroagression” looks like before they get all twisted (conveniently before midterms . . . ) and complain.
I personally look forward to more of these events taking place on campuses, as now the babyboomer professors are feeling what it felt like to be a professor on campus during the Vietnam War. They are all now the “Man” and nothing they say or think or do – however logical or rational – makes any sense in the new cultural space created and fully occupied by the grievance-seeking goatherders of academe. The more this stuff happens, and is pinned on liberals (as it should be ), the more the rest of America will just shake its collective head and grow increasingly immune.
882 - disheartening - yes.
I hope your kid has a wonderful college experience. I hope the fit is right. Best of luck with the search and decision.
Hunt gets a third wife?
Hostile–yes. A couple of times, my D has been asked point blank, how she ended up at Y? I dunno: number 2 In her class of 400; a state ranked athlete, test scores that exceed the 98th percentile; and more awards than you can shake a stick at…but, somehow, for some, there is a disconnect with her presence on campus.
Then such people are boorish losers, boola. What kind of person says to a classmate “how did you get in here”? An idiot with no social skills. I understand that it can be hurtful but then you have to consider the source - a person who isn’t worth the time of day.
Re what kind of person says… Maybe the kind of person whom would benefit from a heads-up re potentially offensive Halloween costumes?
Well, tell that to a freshly minted 19 year old, who is already intimidated by the entire history and expectation at a place like Y. She handled it with her usual confidence (which is at time a front for insecurity-like most of us), by snapping back, as told to me" who’s asking b-word?".
That said, I know she was shaken. What we must realize, is that these are kids just entering adulthood, and moreover, entering a stratosphere unlike they have ever known. In the long run, I don’t worry about her, cause her street IQ is as high as her tested IQ, but whether it’s in the hood or at Y, folks, for whatever reason, will try to test you…
“Re what kind of person says… Maybe the kind of person whom would benefit from a heads-up re potentially offensive Halloween costumes?”
I don’t recall saying that there was anything wrong with the original dean’s email urging thoughtfulness in choice of costume.
Looks to me like “Re what kind of person says… Maybe the kind of person whom would benefit from a heads-up re potentially offensive Halloween costumes?” was exacademic saying that the same kind of person who would ask an African American student how she ended at Yale would be the person who would need guidance about potentially offensive costumes. Not exacademic saying that any poster here needed such guidance.
And what kind of person screams profanities at a faculty member and seems to take a confrontational posture, especially when the faculty member wasn’t even the person who wrote the email in question.
Hmmmn, appears, it’s contagious—see:http://www.scpr.org/news/2015/11/12/55617/claremont-mckenna-college-dean-resigns-after-stude/
boolahi - I just want to say, it hurts my heart and my soul to hear that your D was called the n word and referred to in the way you described earlier. I’m sorry for her pain, and by extension yours. No matter how we may disagree on the Christakis email, please know that I wouldn’t condone that kind of behavior in a million years.
What kind of person? - a student who simply made a mistake. In my judgement, merely a medium sized mistake. Most college students make medium sized mistakes at some point in their time at school.
I think Prof. Christakis had the right instinct when he very graciously said something like “a student shouldn’t be judged just from a 10 minute video”. Personally, I would hope the student would reflect on her behavior and - if she concludes what I think she should conclude - take a small dose of her own prescription: she should apologize to Christakis for screaming and uttering profanities at him. But she should definitely continue to argue for what she believes.
Hopefully she and Prof. Christakis can have a great, reasoned discussion in which both parties genuinely listen to each other. Nothing would make me happier.
Maybe I’m too idealistic, but this simply isn’t good vs. evil, and I think they won’t find it too hard to find common ground. Fingers crossed that something like this occurs - it would truly exemplify Yale at its best.
Hmmmn, appears, it’s contagious—see:http://www.scpr.org/news/2015/11/12/55617/claremont-mckenna-college-dean-resigns-after-stude/
Sorry, for the repost.
And no worries, the unfortunate reality is that if you are black in America, you will hear the n word tossed your way (by a non black person) at some point. Not to underplay it, you move on, and understand that some folks are just plain fools. In my case, it’s in a passing car, or some similar situation–but never to my face. Same for D, someone yelled it at a house party from another room, so as not to be recognized.
The one occasion that it did happen to my face, was in undergrad, and a group of guys thought they would test my patience…one of the parties left missing a molar tooth–and it wasn’t me.
Or maybe they just mean how did you end up at Yale instead of Harvard or Princeton or Stanford?
(Not excusing any of the other behavior boolaHI’s duaghter experienced, and understand that the tone may have conveyed something less obvious in the written version.)