Their standards of offensiveness are ridiculous IMO, and I think many reasonable people would agree with that. What exactly is a liberal school like CMC doing to incite such hostility among students?
Where does it end? What if tomorrow these kids say they want the school faculty to bow to each of them as they enter class??
These kids are nit-picking for the attention and power. The freedom to speak freely about what they think is wrong should be protected, but these schools should not feel compelled to give in and change their policies every time they demand something.
“I’d also doubt it’s poor social skills as those with poor social skills don’t have the social dominance authority and support from one’s peers to have to have the nerve to ask such a question in the first place. The ones asking such questions usually do so from a perceived position of greater social dominance over the one being asked. And unfortunately, in too many cases that perception has some truth to it.”
People only have the social dominance that other people ascribe to them, cobrat.
“Social dominance” that I don’t acknowledge or care about is like the proverbial tree falling in the forest that I don’t hear.
If the most popular guy on campus says something that indicates he’s a major jerk, and all his buddies around him applaud, then all that means is that I now know which set of people to ignore. Their “popularity” is irrelevant to me, since I now know I don’t care what they think. They now HAVE no “social dominance” over me, because I couldn’t care less about hanging with them on Saturday night. If they think I’m humorless or nerdy or no-fun or whatever – well, so be it. Their opinions are of no concern to me. Their “social dominance” is only among people who care about their opinions, and I ain’t one of them.
Did they look into the contents of the event or just looking into scheduling conflict? If they were looking into contents however superficially, that means they are not adults yet.
If they were all adults why did a group of students bring objections to EC and not to the Dean who wrote the email? Why does EC say to one group of students, you are all adults take care of yourself and to the other equally adult group of students, I am taking care of it?
Was it suggested as an example to avoid or was it suggested if you wear these, ther will be consequences? I don’t see giving an example of what’s considered wrong is restricting free speech. When we tell our kids to be decent, don’t we also tell them what decent is like?
Don’t we have a we have a whole thread on the “And” at these schools. It is not good enough to be valedictorian and have a 2400 on your SAT, you must have something else. Since boolahi daughter reacted so strongly I interpret the tone she was asked in made it clear that the asker was alluding to race. But isn’t it possible that most people are asking “what was your “and”?” Are you a rodeo clown, a yoyo champion, a concert violinist, an athlete, etc.? Is everyone who asks a racist?
Well, this would seem to echo what’s going on in the recent wave of campus protests where taking offense at everything only serves to empower the offenders.
Allowing yourself to be victimized on a small scale only hurts yourself, but on a large scale it has damaging implications for society as a whole.
Adult is not a fixed term imo. An example would be you are not an adult to drink until 21. If you are in a college and under a supervision, you are not fully adult the way I look at it. If they were not in college, Halloween costumes would never have been an issue, would it?
@Igloo the restriction of speech relative to this matter that I find objectionable is the challenge to EC’s email and the subsequent calls for her resignation.
I did a search of that term in this thread and only found these three posts, one of which is mine asking where it is posted here, and the other 2 are yours claiming it was used, which I cannot find anywhere
Gettingschooled, I think we have to take boolahi at his word that his daughter being asked “how did you get here?” was not the innocuous “oh, did you fly or drive” or “why are you at Yale instead of Princeton” or “what was your ‘and’.”
Some students who were at the library at the time said they felt uncomfortable with the disruption caused by the protest. Some of the demonstrators called out specific students who were studying for not standing up and joining the protest or not wearing black. (snip)
A member of the Class of 2017 who requested anonymity for fear of being targeted said that he did not want to be near the protest, but walked through the crowd of demonstrators when they were on First-Floor Berry in order to check out books. He said that after bumping into a demonstrator, she called him a “racist, privileged a–hole,” and as he was leaving another student told him to “go to hell” because he was not wearing black.
Sam Kater ’17 was in Novack at the time of the protest. Kater said that he saw the demonstrating students come down the stairs and enter the study space, chanting “If we can’t study, you can’t study.” *
This is the kind of stuff that’s unacceptable. Students are trying to study and mind their own business and they’re disrupted. But their feelings count for naught. And note how they are requesting anonymity for fear of being targeted. That’s the atmosphere these days.
These protesters have good intentions – but they are stupid, stupid, stupid if they think that calling random other students “racist, privileged a-holes” is going to change any minds.
It must’ve been in one of the links then. My best guess would be a link related to SAE case where on twitter minority kids listing what they were called on campus. Do you think kids who can utter N word are above saying charity case?
IMO EC in her official position does not have freedom of speech. As an individual, a private citizen yes but not an official person. Are students demanding EC stop breathing or just stop being an official person? Do government employees have freedom of speech to say whatever they want to? Do they stay on their jobs after discussing not yet available information to the public?
No Igloo, that doesn’t mean they are not adults. As some have said, work places have rules on what you can and can’t wear or put on your walls. They may even have restrictions on Halloween costumes. That doesn’t mean the workers are not adults.
There is nothing wrong with telling students, workers or anyone, be thoughtful about how your choices (whether in words or Halloween costumes) impact others. Concern is raised, however, when one group of people, regardless of whether they are the majority or minority, decides that they are the only ones that get to decide what is objectionable and limits what others can and can’t say. Supporting free speech does not mean you don’t simultaneously support respect for all, particularly those that feel marginalized…
Is it really necessary or appropriate for someone to lose their job every time someone disagrees with the way something is handled. And yes I know the request is only for them to lose their positions as Masters here. But others have lost jobs. And perhaps will have a difficult time getting another one. Was this email or the concerns about other administrators really so egregious that the only remedy is to fire them, not to give them a chance to work for change?
My constitutional right doesn’t include staying on the job. If I want to keep my freedom saying anything/everything, I don’t expect to keep my job if what I say is inappropriate. Students didn’t demand EC be arrested. That will be invading her constitutional right. They asked her removed from her position for saying something that is not inclusive of all students in her charge. That may or may not have a merit but they are not taking away her individual constitutional right, not even close.