<p>I am considering whether to apply EA to Yale or to UPenn.
We all know UPenn (Wharton) is amazing at business, and that Yale is amazing at politics, history, etc...</p>
<p>But assuming you get into one of the colleges and decide business or politics, respectively, is not for you, which one of the colleges would have more academic opportunities/higher academic courses for you to switch into?</p>
<p>Also, how does the atmosphere and weather differ between the two?</p>
<p>For business you’ve got to go with Wharton. Politics, you’re going to want to go with Yale. It really depends on which major you go with. Business majors do, on a whole, have a better chance at earning a high-salary income in their lives. Odds are, though, if you’re bright enough to get into either, you’ll probably be bright enough to make a decent living regardless of the major.</p>
<p>If you’re interested in running for office, your best bet is your state flagships. In most parts of the Country people don’t trust ivy leaguers. As a grad of Wharton, undergrad and MBA, my advice is to not study business undergrad. Get a liberal arts education which will make you equally attractive for elite jobs in business. I don’t know of any jobs a Yale grad can’t compete with a Wharton grad for, yet non Wharton Penn is not as recruited as Yale for top jobs.</p>
<p>If an act of god gets you into Yale, go. But when the unhooked admission rate is about 3%, it’s best to decide you’ll be happy at many schools:)</p>
<p>Lol… I’m sure you’ll have to make that decision after you get in. </p>
<p>But for politics, I agree that it would be better to graduate from a state flagship or a local school not far from your constituency.</p>
<p>What about in the sense that you get into either Yale or UPenn majoring in history or business, respectively, but your interests change over the course of your education… In that case, which school provides more quality majors for you to choose from?</p>
<p>if you want to go into politics you still probably want to study at Yale and Penn over a state flagship, because yale and penn grads get into politics at a much higher rate than state school grads, there are just tons of state school grads in it’s state. So in a given state you have many more candidates from the state school. Gryffon and Hmom are talking about a single factor hurting your political career, but ignoring all those that would benefit you from going to an Ivy (like connections, job opportunities and simply a better education making you smarter and more knowledgeable) and they’re ignoring that if you go to a state school you might never see the opportunities that lead you to a successful political career. </p>
<p>Don’t sell yourself short on your education, if you are good enough for a Yale or Wharton, be challenged by equally smart kids around you. Upenn is no slacker for politics probably comparable to Yale, yale is top of the table for law school not necessarily politics. Yale is known for its humanity departments but is definitely also a well rounded university. </p>
<p>Both schools really provide good opportunities, yale will definitely help you get into a better law school and penn will definitely help you land a better job in finance and consulting. Though each school places people every year in the best jobs and grad schools of both fields and most others. Overall, I don’t think you can conclusively say one is better than the other opportunities wise, so choose whichever one you fit better.</p>
<p>In the field of history, Yale is better, but not as much as the enormous prestige difference would lead you to believe. Unfortunatley this will take decades for Penn’s prestige to catch up to its excellence, if ever.</p>
<p>Penn suffers from being constantly sold short by Wharton-centric people. While I cannot speak for other companies, my own highly selective employer (taking ~3% of applicants) sees no difference between Penn CAS and Penn Wharton students.</p>
<p>History
1 Princeton University Princeton, NJ Enter your zip 4.8<br>
1 Stanford University Stanford, CA Enter your zip 4.8<br>
1 University of California–Berkeley Berkeley, CA Enter your zip 4.8<br>
1 Yale University New Haven, CT Enter your zip 4.8<br>
5 Harvard University Cambridge, MA Enter your zip 4.7<br>
5 University of Chicago Chicago, IL Enter your zip 4.7<br>
7 Columbia University New York, NY Enter your zip 4.6<br>
7 University of Michigan–Ann Arbor Ann Arbor, MI Enter your zip 4.6<br>
9 Johns Hopkins University Baltimore, MD Enter your zip 4.5<br>
9 University of California–Los Angeles Los Angeles, CA Enter your zip 4.5<br>
9 University of Pennsylvania Philadelphia, PA Enter your zip 4.5 </p>
<p>Finance
1 University of Pennsylvania (Wharton) Philadelphia, PA
2 University of Chicago (Booth) Chicago, IL
3 New York University (Stern) New York, NY
4 Massachusetts Institute of Technology (Sloan) Cambridge, MA
5 Stanford University Stanford, CA
6 Columbia University New York, NY
7 University of California–Los Angeles (Anderson) Los Angeles, CA
8 University of California–Berkeley (Haas) Berkeley, CA
9 Harvard University Boston, MA
10 Northwestern University (Kellogg) Evanston, IL</p>
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<p>at penn you’d have to actually apply for transfer from wharton to the college of arts and sciences. and you’d be switching in to a less selective degree program(BA instead of BS) after taking Management 100 for nothing. basically don’t go to wharton unless you know you love the subject matter and will stick with it. </p>
<p>And if your overall goal is to become a senator/congressman, Ivy degrees can be liabilities as others have mentioned. There are more Ivy politicians because Ivy students tend to be go getters(or in the case of GW Bush, well born). correlation =/= causation</p>
<p>Yeah but nobody would know Penn was an Ivy League school anyway, so it might not hurt you in the end ;)</p>
<p>Especially when Joe Paterno finally dies, Penn will get lots of attention.</p>
<p>ilovebagels…any reason why you’re trying to dissuade people from applying to Penn? Are you a CAS graduate?</p>
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<p>This is actually really easy to do…I’ve never heard of a wharton student not being allowed to transfer out</p>
<p>On a separate note, as much as I enjoy learning about history, I don’t think it is a very practical career choice. As for politics, I would say it is easier to switch from business to politics than the other way around (after you graduate). Do you actually need to major in politics to become a politician?</p>
<p>I know of several Wharton students who were unable to transfer out of Wharton due to low GPAs. There is a GPA requirement.</p>
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Uh, what? Bagels made two points.</p>
<p>– Yale is better in history, though not by much (true)
– Wharton-centric people devalue the rest of the university (true)</p>
<p>I certainly don’t see that as discouraging people from applying.</p>
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A quick glimpse over the career surveys shows that history majors do quite well for themselves.</p>
<p>[Career</a> Services, University of Pennsylvania](<a href=“http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/college/majors/hist.html]Career”>http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/college/majors/hist.html)</p>
<p>I don’t have the data for Penn, but at Berkeley Haas graduates make on average only $10K more per year than history graduates.</p>
<p>Thanks IBclass06. I agree with his/her depiction of what I said.</p>
<p>I’d be very confused if anyone ever thought I would be persuading anyone not to apply to Penn…</p>
<p>^ According to Awped, if you don’t declare that Penn is the bestest school in the whole wide universe since the beginning and end of time, you must be dissuading people from applying to Penn. </p>
<p>The funny thing is that in another thread, s/he confessed that s/he’d rather be at Princeton or Dartmouth???</p>
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<p>This may be a matter of semantics, but Yale is Single Choice Early Action and UPenn is Early Decision. The latter is binding and the former is not. So if you apply ED to UPenn, you rule out the possibility of applying to Yale (assuming you get into UPenn).</p>
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<p>Both schools would provide you with more academic opportunities and courses than you’d probably know what to do with. Yale does have stronger liberal arts though.</p>