<p>I got my master degree from china and came to the states 20 years ago to pursue my PhD in a state university. I was pleasantly surprised by all the opportunities and resources the university offerred. You are all incredibly bright kids, any one of these top schools will lead you to a great future as long as you fully take advantage of it. If you have a luxury to choose among these top tiered schools, I would say the selection should be based on the school cultures. Which one you think you should be most happy to be there. A sucessful social life in the colleage is as important as a rigorous academic program. Therefore, I do not see any major point to compare yale and harvard or princeton academically. Instead, I do think one should think more about the school's culture and in which school you think you would be happier. Remember happiness can produce long-term satisfaction.</p>
<p>"Oh, well... If they got their jobs due to internships, and hedge funds actively recruit college students in the same way the rest of the financial industry does, then I guess no one has ever gotten a job at UBS without an internship out of college? I mean, it's obviously the same thing, and it's not incredibly rare, and pretty much hedge funds are exactly the same as investment banks. Experience is good, but they love kids out of undergrad. I am glad you have cleared this up for me, because for some reason I used to falsely believe that it was incredibly rare for hedge funds to actively recruit students with no work experience they had no ties to."</p>
<p>Wow, no matter how you twist your lies, I am still right. I stated there are undergrads who go straight to hedge funds. You said there wasn't. You are succinctly wrong. Please shut up because your pathetic sarcastic play doesn't make it better.</p>
<p>"I've never said UCB or Chicago have better job placement (and I think their undergraduate offerings are not nearly as strong as their amazing graduate programs), although I probably alluded to it with Williams. My rankings on page one were my personal views of a combination of job placement and overall quality of departments."</p>
<p>Now to refute this argument. This is what you said on page 1 post 8. </p>
<p>"Close, but no cigar. (my ranking is only based on job placement, though)
Quote:
1. Wharton, Harvard, Columbia, Princeton, MIT
2. Stanford, Dartmouth, Claremont Colleges, UCB
3. Northwestern, Chicago, CMU, Yale"</p>
<p>Good work on lying to us. It doesn't get any more clear cut than this. I don't see you stating undergrad department quality here. But since you rely on your "insight," whom I am to prove you wrong? Again we can't fight crime together because now you spew spurious statements. </p>
<p>I understand this is a thread for opinions, but your opinions are wrong, and the OP obviously wants to find the truth, not a deranged version of it. </p>
<p>"We're talking about, (1) in response to the OP: how does Yale's econ program compares to Harvard, (2) in response to the OP: Economics or Economics and Mathematics, which is better for one who wants to more econ and finance (I guess econ and math for finance if they do a lot of statistical analysis, presumably economics for economics), (3) from later posts: the job placement out of the undergraduate program, (4) from later posts: the quality of the undergraduate program."</p>
<p>I think you are a little lost. I'm not responding to the OP. I am responding to the statements you made about Yale having worst job placement than, according to your little list, Stanford, Dartmouth, Claremont, and UCB, which is clearly ludicrous. Your insight or whatever else you want to call it is pathetic. You're one of those ignorant little kids who know nothing about investment banking, peruse a finance forum, and then act like an authority figure around here propagating misconceptions which you defend so readily with your "insight." Spare us the bull-$****. Seriously. When you've actually worked in the finance industry and seen profiles of hedge fund managers or MDs of investment banks or PE principals, then maybe you can talk. Because I have. And no, I didn't get the job through connections. Maybe then you'll open your tiny eyes and see that in the high profile finance industry, HYPWharton are king. </p>
<p>Oh, one more thing. Your statement:</p>
<p>"The job placement claim was that Wharton has better job placement than just about anyone."</p>
<p>is also incomplete. Where are your numbers? Did you just make this up because I'm pretty sure you did. Everyone knows that Havard grads have better placement with consulting firms. Look on MBB websites.</p>
<p>Hey, you're back! Exciting. (edit: ^^ thanks for editing in that last bit. And yes, you know, you just totally rocked my world on that Wharton thing. I forgot that consulting firms make up 95+% of the total workforce in anything that can be considered "business." Boy do I feel stupid.)</p>
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Wow, no matter how you twist your lies, I am still right. I stated there are undergrads who go straight to hedge funds. You said there wasn't. You are succinctly wrong. Please shut up because your pathetic sarcastic play doesn't make it better.
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No, you're not right. The reality is that any undergraduate can basically get into any facet of the financial industry without working for those companies directly beforehand, and without having nepotism play a role. That is the statement I made, that statement stands. Hedge funds are not the same, and you should know that since you're clearly a very experienced super professional who knows a lot more about the world than I, because unlike me, you don't... just post on forums... hmm...</p>
<p>When you can get back to me on naming three (hell, make it two. Not one though, I have to make allowances for Neo) graduates from any class of any school who went into hedge funds without working for them for years or having familial relations inside the funds you can call whatever I've said a lie. It's fine if they worked for other companies in the financial arena, just not the hedge fund directly. And no little tricks with taking some 35 year old guy who worked in finance for 10 years and went back to get his degree. Until then you can do that, are both wrong and full of **** on the hedge fund issue, which raises questions about your knowledge of anything else. Hedge funds don't actively recruit from ugrad like the rest of the financial industry.
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Good work on lying to us. It doesn't get any more clear cut than this. I don't see you stating undergrad department quality here. But since you rely on your "insight," whom I am to prove you wrong? Again we can't fight crime together because now you spew spurious statements.
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Wow, you're right, I did say it was based on job placement. Okay, I'll go back to stubborn--I stick with my rankings.</p>
<p>Additionally, you can't refute them. That must be frustrating, huh? I mean you can refute them--but you have to do the same thing I do, which is just use opinion. You can't even get data from biased sources to back up anything you're saying.
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I think you are a little lost. I'm not responding to the OP. I am responding to the statements you made about Yale having worst job placement than, according to your little list, Stanford, Dartmouth, Claremont, and UCB, which is clearly ludicrous.
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Really, how is it ludicrous? Prove it's ludicrous. You have nothing to back up your statements. No statistics, no nothing. You say you have history in the industry, and while that doesn't mean you are at all familiar with the hiring process besides going through it I don't even believe you in that.
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Your insight or whatever else you want to call it is pathetic. You're one of those ignorant little kids who know nothing about investment banking
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What do you know about investment banking? What is an investment bank? What is the overall goal of an investment bank? How does it achieve that goal? What makes them different from a hedge fund? What are the various jobs people do in investment banks?
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peruse a finance forum, and then act like an authority figure around here propagating misconceptions which you defend so readily with your "insight." Spare us the bull-$****. Seriously. When you've actually worked in the finance industry and seen profiles of hedge fund managers or MDs of investment banks or PE principals, then maybe you can talk. Because I have. And no, I didn't get the job through connections. Maybe then you'll open your tiny eyes and see that in the high profile finance industry, HYPWharton are king.
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Really? You've seen profiles of people? Me too. They're generally publicly available on corporate websites, no? You have what? You've seen profiles, or you've worked in the industry? For who? How long? Doing what?</p>
<p>Do you have those averages yet of what Yale graduates make? Do you have any firm numbers? Or are you just doing the same thing I'm doing--talking? Because, as I see it, the singular difference between you and me is that I'm willing to admit what I'm saying is an opinion, but you seem to believe you're a big shot with a tremendous amount of experience in the financial industry (which clearly lines up with someone who regularly posts on this internet forum, as I'm sure I just missed the subforum here primarily dedicated to competing with nuclearphynance) and therefore you know--KNOW--that Yale has a better undergraduate economics program than Stanford, Dartmouth and the Claremont's, you KNOW that Yale has better job placement in the financial industry, and you KNOW that they make more money.</p>
<p>I'm just trying to ascertain how you came to know all this.</p>
<p>"(edit: ^^ thanks for editing in that last bit. And yes, you know, you just totally rocked my world on that Wharton thing. I forgot that consulting firms make up 95+% of the total workforce in anything that can be considered "business." Boy do I feel stupid.)"</p>
<p>Did I say they did? Oh no I didn't. But thanks for putting lies into other people's mouths. You must be used to it by now.</p>
<p>"When you can get back to me on naming three (hell, make it two. Not one though, I have to make allowances for Neo) graduates from any class of any school who went into hedge funds without working for them for years or having familial relations inside the funds you can call whatever I've said a lie."</p>
<p>Maybe you should take intro to math proofs 101. I know people who have gone straight into hedge funds from undergrad satisfying the requirements you have mentioned. You claim that no undergrad from all the colleges in the United States can break into a hedge fund without prior work experience or family connections. Why don't you go out there and prove me wrong? Maybe you should get out there and ask people. I guarantee a handful will say they have. Open your provincial eyes, my friend. Just because you don't think you can do it doesn't mean other people can't. </p>
<p>"Wow, you're right, I did say it was based on job placement. Okay, I'll go back to stubborn--I stick with my rankings."</p>
<p>So you intentionally lie to us and then expect us to believe whatever else you say? What do you think this is, Jerry Springer? Give me a break, you just lost what little integrity you have over the internet.</p>
<p>"Do you have those averages yet of what Yale graduates make? Do you have any firm numbers?"</p>
<p>Why don't you go to career services at UCB or Claremont college and look at their numbers compared to Yale's if you want them so desperately. Do a little math--yes even with averages. If you can't, I totally understand. Daddy can be right there to guide you along the process.</p>
<p>"What do you know about investment banking? What is an investment bank? What is the overall goal of an investment bank? How does it achieve that goal? What makes them different from a hedge fund? What are the various jobs people do in investment banks?"</p>
<p>We both know this is a meaningless question. Even if I didn't know, I would easily just ask a friend or look at a variety of internet sources. I have industry experience. What experience do you have? I doubt we can even believe you given your tendency to lie. </p>
<p>"Because, as I see it, the singular difference between you and me is that I'm willing to admit what I'm saying is an opinion, but you seem to believe you're a big shot with a tremendous amount of experience in the financial industry"</p>
<p>Again, you are inclined to fabricate perceptions of other people. Did I ever say I was a big-shot? I'm simple telling you that you're wrong. Everybody has opinions. You can have an opinion that the Earth is flat. I am justified in indicating that you are incorrect.</p>
<p>Judging from you string of posts in the "Depressed over Ivy League Rejection that has yet to come" and your vehement arguments that Ivies have an obligation to the public to expand their class sizes in the "Should Ivies Expand Class Size" thread, I am going to console you. Don't worry, not everyone gets in super-selective colleges. I'm sorry that you got rejected from Yale or whatever, but please spare us your indignation. Just don't ask me to supersize my order combo whenever I'm ordering my Big Mac.</p>
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Did I say they did? Oh no I didn't. But thanks for putting lies into other people's mouths. You must be used to it by now.
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You're offsetting my claim that Wharton has the best placement by saying that Harvard places better into consulting (while asking me to go visit websites and being unable to produce anything yourself). That's the equivalent of saying consulting is all there is, because if Wharton places better everywhere else then Harvard wouldn't actually place better, would they? I'm just extrapolating from your statements, since they're rather lacking in substance.
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Maybe you should take intro to math proofs 101. I know people who have gone straight into hedge funds from undergrad satisfying the requirements you have mentioned.
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One time I met Cuba Gooding Jr. in a mall. I didn't get his autograph and I don't have any picture of the two of us together, though, so you're just going to have to take my word on that.
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You claim that no undergrad from all the colleges in the United States can break into a hedge fund without prior work experience or family connections. Why don't you go out there and prove me wrong?
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How would I prove you wrong? I would... actively not have connections or prior work experience and then not get recruited by a hedge fund? That... Is probably something I can do, I guess? Can you wait here for 5 years until I come back and tell you what happened?
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Maybe you should get out there and ask people. I guarantee a handful will say they have. Open your provincial eyes, my friend. Just because you don't think you can do it doesn't mean other people can't.
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Well, I mean, you're guaranteeing me that a few people will say they have. You're also guaranteeing me that Stern and Columbia graduates don't place as well in the financial industry as Yale out of undergrad, that Yale has a better undergraduate program than Stanford, UCB, Claremont's, Columbia, Stern, Dartmouth, Chicago and... Am I forgetting someone? Probably. I don't think you guaranteed anything else, you certainly haven't guaranteed that you have work experience (or do you not? because that sentence was kind of convoluted) in the industry, I mean...</p>
<p>I don't know. I'm very trusting. I'm like a young child, and you have tickets to Hannah Montana. I guess I'll just have to get into your van.</p>
<p>...</p>
<p>Why are the windows covered with trash bags?
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We both know this is a meaningless question. Even if I didn't know, I would easily just ask a friend or look at a variety of internet sources. I have industry experience. What experience do you have? I doubt we can even believe you given your tendency to lie.
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It's so not a meaningless question. It was meaningless question*s*. There were more than one. You are minimizing my ability to be meaningless, and I don't appreciate that. Yes, I have lied about, uh, basing my personal rankings on quality and job placement when it was really just job placement... Also... I lied about... I lied about Yale getting sent to the desert wastes. You still can't answer anything I end with a question mark without either (a) dodging it or (b) trying to "turn it around," and that's not really a good sign. That's just my opinion though. If I had to rank signs based on job placement, you'd be way down the list.</p>
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Judging from you string of posts in the "Depressed over Ivy League Rejection that has yet to come"
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Did you read the posts? Because you know pretty much all of them were sarcastic and after the whole stupid drama had happened, right?
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and your vehement arguments that Ivies have an obligation to the public to expand their class sizes in the "Should Ivies Expand Class Size" thread,
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They have an obligation to the public because their existence is a result of tax exemptions, federal grants (from tax money) and in many cases authorization from state legislatures. Population grows, they too must grow at least slightly to help ease the burden the state schools they have so many more resources than will have to bear. You know who else agrees with me that they have an obligation to the public? They do. And the Senate does, and I think the House does too. Not too sure what the President's view on it is, though.
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I am going to console you. Don't worry, not everyone gets in super-selective colleges. I'm sorry that you got rejected from Yale or whatever, but please spare us your indignation. Just don't ask me to supersize my order combo whenever I'm ordering my Big Mac.
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Is this where I'm impressed that you're in an ivy league school you haven't yet mentioned being in? I would think, at the ivy league school you attend that you haven't yet mentioned being in, they would teach you to... I don't know, read **** or something? Just because you see a faulty correlation between my arguments in the ivy class thread and some non-existent insecurity (I'm guessing?) about getting into an ivy league school doesn't mean you're actually right. I think you were saying that above about me. Still waiting for numbers, by the way. On something. Anything. Give me the Play 4, I don't care.</p>
<p>Hey, you should jump over to the toilet paper thread and blow off some steam there.</p>
<p>I have to admit, even your grotesque sense of humor gives me a few chuckles. Kudos.</p>
<p>Nevertheless I proceed to prove you wrong.</p>
<p>"You're offsetting my claim that Wharton has the best placement by saying that Harvard places better into consulting (while asking me to go visit websites and being unable to produce anything yourself)." </p>
<p>But you extrapolated incorrectly. Had you said Wharton has the best placement for finance, I would have agreed. But you referred to all facets of business, and that is too broad for Wharton to reign supreme in.</p>
<p>"One time I met Cuba Gooding Jr. in a mall. I didn't get his autograph and I don't have any picture of the two of us together, though, so you're just going to have to take my word on that."</p>
<p>Your logical inconsistency is surprising. You tried to repudiate my statement that no undergrads break into hedge funds satisfying the requirements you mentioned. Therefore, you are the one who has to provide evidence of that fact, not me. </p>
<p>"How would I prove you wrong? I would... actively not have connections or prior work experience and then not get recruited by a hedge fund? That... Is probably something I can do, I guess? Can you wait here for 5 years until I come back and tell you what happened?"</p>
<p>Don't worry, I'll still be in my van. </p>
<p>"You're also guaranteeing me that Stern and Columbia graduates don't place as well in the financial industry as Yale out of undergrad, that Yale has a better undergraduate program than Stanford, UCB, Claremont's, Columbia, Stern, Dartmouth, Chicago and..."</p>
<p>Wrong. I never said that Yale has a better undergrad program than Stanford, UCB, etc. What I did say was that Yale grads have more success getting recruited for jobs. </p>
<p>"I don't know. I'm very trusting. I'm like a young child, and you have tickets to Hannah Montana. I guess I'll just have to get into your van."</p>
<p>You resort to dark humor to detract readers from thinking about your losing argument. How sad. </p>
<p>...</p>
<p>The trash bags, don't worry. They're full of toys.</p>
<p>Tetrishead, editing your post number 65 to include more senseless lambasting is just sad. </p>
<p>Screw you and your communist policies. Private institutions are responsible to shareholders students, and alumni, not the general public. Harvard isn't going to say, oh well "China's population has grown by 300 million since the 1950s," therefore we are obligated to expand to include more Chinese internationals in our student body.</p>
<p>"They have an obligation to the public because their existence is a result of tax exemptions, federal grants (from tax money) and in many cases authorization from state legislatures."</p>
<p>Governmental institutions like the NIH regularly give funding to Ivy League schools because they produce results in research that benefit the general public. Why don't you convince the government to stop funding these schools? See what happens to America's technological supremacy in a few decades.</p>
<p>I don't care how much you whine. The reality is, private institutions answer to themselves when they are considering expansion, not to the general public. Have fun at community college XXX. I've already gotten accepted into Yale.</p>
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But you extrapolated incorrectly. Had you said Wharton has the best placement for finance, I would have agreed. But you referred to all facets of business, and that is too broad for Wharton to reign supreme in.
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It's an average. You know, I don't have numbers to back up that average. Just like you don't have numbers to back up yours. Also, on average, I am 10x prettier than you are. Can I substantiate that? No, but you can't refute it, which is the problem with your arguments.
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Your logical inconsistency is surprising. You tried to repudiate my statement that no undergrads break into hedge funds satisfying the requirements you mentioned. Therefore, you are the one who has to provide evidence of that fact, not me.
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Let me make sure I understand your train of thought correctly.</p>
<p>(1) You make a statement with nothing to substantiate it.
(2) I refute your statement based on something generally considered common knowledge.
(3) Because I refuted your statement, the burden of proof falls on me to prove something that you cannot and did not initially?</p>
<p>I'm pretty sure you still have to prove the initial statement before the onus is on me to disprove it.
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You resort to dark humor to detract readers from thinking about your losing argument. How sad.
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I'd rather resort to dark humor than actively avoid answering things that could even remotely substantiate anything I've said. You haven't proved you've worked in the industry, you say you have. You claim Yale graduates get better jobs in finance on average, except you don't actually have an average to go by. You want trust when it comes to sampling the opinions and backgrounds of people on Wall Street, yet you can't even find one point of data to back up anything you've ever said at any time in this thread. I think you're kind of running out of that whole trust thing.
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Tetrishead, editing your post number 65 to include more senseless lambasting is just sad.
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It's nice to know it took you thirty minutes to write something that had essentially nothing of substance within it. For some reason I thought you post was done, because I like to quote parts and drop down to the quick reply to respond to them one at a time. I apologize for not responding to your entire post in a complete and prompt manner.
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Screw you and your communist policies.
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Tsk. A fundamental ignorance of the status of private universities in this country you say? No! Shocking. Something else you have no idea about. Truly, the hits keep on coming.
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Private institutions are responsible to shareholders students, and alumni, not the general public.
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Incorrect. Many private universities exist, as I alluded to before but you ignored because anything that requires a real response you tend to conveniently leave out of your replies to me, as a result of action by state legislatures or counties/towns. Communism is basically a structure in which private companies are run under common ownership, which effectively neutralizes capital assets. LTV is also stupid, but that's not really what we're talking about.</p>
<p>The problem is private educational institutions aren't the same as private companies. They, again, exist primarily as a result of action by the government. They derive a tremendous amount of their operating income from the government and tax money. They have tax exempt status and they are given territorial areas that they police independently. This is not a normal company, and this has nothing to do with Communism.
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Harvard isn't going to say, oh well "China's population has grown by 300 million since the 1950s," therefore we are obligated to expand to include more Chinese internationals in our student body.
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China didn't create Harvard by an act of their government. China didn't give Harvard the money to stay afloat. Harvard doesn't derive much operating income from China. Harvard isn't based in China, and Harvard doesn't get their tax exempt status because of China. I know you like to go all faulty conclusion lies lies blah blah etc, so, I think you should probably apply that to this part of your post.
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Governmental institutions like the NIH regularly give funding to Ivy League schools because they produce results in research that benefit the general public. Why don't you convince the government to stop funding these schools? See what happens to America's technological supremacy in a few decades.
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Well, what would happen is the schools would effectively cease to exist, all the faculty would defect to programs with money and very little if nothing at all would happen to our (non-existent, we lost it a long time ago, I'm not sure where you've been) technological supremacy. I mean, if they're truly private institutions that owe nothing to the public and make billion dollar profits, then why not revoke their tax exempt status? Oh, what, someone already mentioned that? And then there was an immediate cascade of changes to financial aid policies at the richest schools? I guess they're not so independent after all.
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I don't care how much you whine. The reality is, private institutions answer to themselves when they are considering expansion, not to the general public. Have fun at community college XXX.
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It's cute that you think that when towns regularly tell private institutions what is and is not acceptable in expansion. Also, good shot with the community college thing. You're definitely not going to end up a know-nothing elitist who has nothing to be elitist about. I'd rather deal with 45 year old mothers of three who work in diners and go to community college at night than someone who lies as regularly as you do, who knows as little as you do, who has uninformed and flawed views like you do and who refuses to acknowledge that they, too, are effectively a stupid teenager like you do.
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I've already gotten accepted into Yale.
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Wait, so you're not even in the school yet? Meaning all your ******** is about something you haven't personally experienced? And you have such a strong connection to the financial industry, and experience in the financial industry, while you're still what... how young? Yeah, man, I can see why I should take you seriously. You're clearly not full of it.</p>
<p>Tetrishead, you seem to have an insatiable desire to argue against the truth. You've already been bashed enough in the other threads. </p>
<p>"Wait, so you're not even in the school yet? Meaning all your ******** is about something you haven't personally experienced? And you have such a strong connection to the financial industry, and experience in the financial industry, while you're still what... how young? Yeah, man, I can see why I should take you seriously. You're clearly not full of it."</p>
<p>Right...this is coming from the kid who hasn't gotten accepted anywhere yet. What makes you the expert to comment on how well the recruiting is at Yale or any other place? You're saying I'm full of it when you are a high school senior as well? What hypocritical bull-$****. Have fun collecting change at McDonald's in ten years.</p>
<p>"Let me make sure I understand your train of thought correctly.</p>
<p>(1) You make a statement with nothing to substantiate it.
(2) I refute your statement based on something generally considered common knowledge.
(3) Because I refuted your statement, the burden of proof falls on me to prove something that you cannot and did not initially?</p>
<p>I'm pretty sure you still have to prove the initial statement before the onus is on me to disprove it."</p>
<p>See your first premise is wrong because I have something to substantiate my statement. And no, I am not going to give names of people I know over an internet forum. Your refutation based on common knowledge is wrong due to my evidence in part one. Plus who determined that your opinion is common knowledge. Why don't you go to HYPWharton and ask around. But no, you clearly refuse and decide instead to stay at home and try to convince people to believe your crap on an internet forum.</p>
<p>"I'd rather resort to dark humor than actively avoid answering things that could even remotely substantiate anything I've said. You haven't proved you've worked in the industry, you say you have. You claim Yale graduates get better jobs in finance on average, except you don't actually have an average to go by. You want trust when it comes to sampling the opinions and backgrounds of people on Wall Street, yet you can't even find one point of data to back up anything you've ever said at any time in this thread. I think you're kind of running out of that whole trust thing."</p>
<p>Right, because dark humor just magically cures everything. We can solve crime together right? Not. Where are your facts? Show me that UCB or Claremont grads get better jobs than Yale grads. You couldn't pay people to make up statistics like that. You haven't proved that you're not a twelve year old little girl being sexually molested in a van, but I think we can assume you're not. Your arguments don't make sense. We're over an internet forum, how do you want me to prove things? Fax you my social security number? Give me a break. </p>
<p>I've found people to back up my opinions. Hint: read previous posts in this thread. The point is, you haven't and probably never will unless you go meet another deranged person quite like yourself. </p>
<p>I'm not even going to waste my time arguing about Ivy-class expanding. Anyone who wants to know why tetrishead is wrong, please just go read the replies to his posts in that particular thread, which is featured on CC. Nice job making a fool of yourself tetrishead. I hope you can count change correctly, because you actually need that skill.</p>
<p>Whenever you see a thread where people are quoting posts and arguing on a line by line basis, it's time to head for the exits.</p>
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I'm not even going to waste my time arguing about Ivy-class expanding. Anyone who wants to know why tetrishead is wrong, please just go read the replies to his posts in that particular thread, which is featured on CC. Nice job making a fool of yourself tetrishead. I hope you can count change correctly, because you actually need that skill.
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This is good. What I'm going to do is I'm going to let you simmer until you can prove even one of these five things that you've avoided this entire time, because otherwise everything you say is without substance and you can't even put together a coherent argument long enough to make your own train of thought without referencing other posters and other threads where someone apparently argued with me better than you have. Here they are:</p>
<p>(1) That you know, on a personal level, even one individual who works in anything that can be considered finance. It doesn't matter if they're a teller at a Wachovia.
(2) That you have ever been, at any time in your life, to any of the schools you've mentioned. Not even that you're attending--that you've even been in the neighborhood.
(3) That you have ever worked, at any time, in any way, in the financial industry. It doesn't matter if it's in the mail room, you still haven't done it.
(4) That you are actually in any college, whether it be a community college or HYP, and that you know anyone who has ever been recruited into any facet of the business world out of undergrad.
(5) That, other than some fluffy stuff on famous VC's and the like at portfolio.com, you know the "profiles" of more than 2 people who have, at any time, ever worked in the financial industry in any facet and any way.</p>
<p>Tetrishead its laughable how your arguments come about. But sure, I'll go ahead and keep the humor going. How do you want me to prove these things? Shall I fax you a copy of my admittance letter? No better yet, I presume you want me to give you a portfolio of everything I've done in the past four years of my life. Probably a credit card number to go along with it? <em>Wink Wink</em> it expires in 01/08.</p>
<p>"(1) That you know, on a personal level, even one individual who works in anything that can be considered finance. It doesn't matter if they're a teller at a Wachovia."</p>
<p>Sure I know. What do you want? Their names, telephone numbers, addresses, credit card numbers? If this is one of your pathetic schemes, please spare me the trouble. Do you really expect me to release such information?</p>
<p>"(2) That you have ever been, at any time in your life, to any of the schools you've mentioned. Not even that you're attending--that you've even been in the neighborhood."</p>
<p>Refer to previous statements. </p>
<p>"(3) That you have ever worked, at any time, in any way, in the financial industry. It doesn't matter if it's in the mail room, you still haven't done it."</p>
<p>Since you know nothing about me, this is an empty lie. It's analogous to me calling you a little molested girl without knowing who you are or what you do just because you posted a few sentences on the internet saying you are. Chill man, there's something called integrity, which you obviously don't have because you've already admitted to lying in one of your previous posts.</p>
<p>"(4) That you are actually in any college, whether it be a community college or HYP, and that you know anyone who has ever been recruited into any facet of the business world out of undergrad."</p>
<p>Had you been accepted into Yale, you would have known something like BlueMarble in which you could have looked me up. But since you haven't please refrain from spasms of idiocracy. </p>
<p>"(5) That, other than some fluffy stuff on famous VC's and the like at portfolio.com, you know the "profiles" of more than 2 people who have, at any time, ever worked in the financial industry in any facet and any way."</p>
<p>Again, refer to previous statements. </p>
<p>I have experience and more than that, research in the financial sector to back my claims. All you have is your hot-headed bigshot pride in thinking you know everything. Why don't you give me statistics that Yale's job placement is the same as CMU, or worse than UCB and Claremont. Clearly you're already on the wrong footing.</p>
<p>Still dodging the questions. A cute little dance, referring back to me to disprove statements you've never proved, like Yale having better job placement. When you can back up one out of five of those things you can pretend to have "integrity."</p>
<p>Until then, obviously, you can't.</p>
<p>If you want to proof so badly, why don't you go to career services at Yale and find out for yourself. Why don't you talk to employers on Wall Street. </p>
<p>"When you can back up one out of five of those things you can pretend to have integrity."</p>
<p>Hypocritical aren't you? You proceed to attack me for integrity when a) you're the one who has clearly lied to us before and b) you don't have any facts yourself, nor do I believe you have seen evidence. </p>
<p>Until then, obviously, you can't prove me wrong.</p>
<p>@kyzan and tetrishead</p>
<p>Are you two male or female? I am having an awesome mental image of you two having an awesome girl on girl fight. If it does happen... make a youtube video or something.</p>
<p>Nobody cares if the education you receive at college X is better than that at college Y. It all matters about the name... and quite frankly Yale, Harvard, and Princeton are the most famous, but Wharton of course has the most famous undergrad business school and you will get the same opportunities if not better at those other schools. But it is actually harder to get the same job from Wharton than it is from HYP because you are competing against other Wharton students. These Yale vs Harvard threads are so pointless because they are the two most famous schools, even on the international level.</p>
<p>@mootpoint, I'm glad you're having fun while reading our posts. Good luck with picturing that girl on girl fight XD</p>
<p>@dudemanimcool, thank you. I think you just proved my point, which is that the top tier schools for Wall Street type job placement are HYPWharton. I was simply refuting the notion Tetrishead stated quite a while back that Claremont College, UCB, and Dartmouth grads have better job options than Yale grads.</p>
<p>Wow tetrishead really needs an awakening... His arguments are really laughable. Thanks for the help kyzan and others.</p>
<p>Just because Yale's econ. program is inferior to some schools doesn't mean its job placement is also that. :D</p>
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If you want to proof so badly, why don't you go to career services at Yale and find out for yourself. Why don't you talk to employers on Wall Street.
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Because you haven't done that. Because you've never worked in the industry, you haven't even graduated from college yet and for all I know you don't even go to Yale. What would be the point to actively trying to get a sampling of data when your claims already have a non-existent foundation?
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Hypocritical aren't you? You proceed to attack me for integrity when a) you're the one who has clearly lied to us before and b) you don't have any facts yourself, nor do I believe you have seen evidence.
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a) Yes, congratulations on catching me in the horrible lie of saying my rankings were based on two things when they were based on one. The world needs more hard-hitting investigative reporters like you. b) And there, we're on completely equal footing. So the integrity argument comes back to you knowing nothing and having no experience in the industry, which means that your opinion on Yale's job placement and economics program is about as informed as mine is.
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Until then, obviously, you can't prove me wrong.
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There's nothing to prove because your arguments are based on nothing. I could say Florida State University has an economics program that is superior to Yale and better job placement to boot and you'd only be able to use conjecture to argue against it. For all your grandstanding you can prove nothing about your background, and while I may very well be a 12 year old girl, you're probably a 15 year old living in his mother's basement as a junior in high school. Just like you only have conjecture to try and argue "facts" that do not exist, you try to use conjecture to claim you're somehow morally superior when you can provide just as much hard data to support your arguments as I can. We are equals, and if I withdraw all my applications and go to community college we'd still be equals, and if I started working at McDonalds I'd probably end up better then you because at least I'd know what work looks like.
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Wow tetrishead really needs an awakening... His arguments are really laughable. Thanks for the help kyzan and others.</p>
<p>Just because Yale's econ. program is inferior to some schools doesn't mean its job placement is also that.:P
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So... You're not at the school, and you had to post a thread to get opinions on whether Harvard or Yale has a better economics program and which would be more finance related, and now, 5 days later, you're an expert on the subject?</p>