<p>Yale students are similarly highly prized.</p>
<p>Though the statistics you have (in another thread) may show that Princeton graduates have a higher starting salary coming out of college, that may have more to do with the interests and career preferences of the graduating body than with the quality of each university.</p>
<p>Itâs is no accident that national college guide texts and national rankings keep putting Princeton ahead of Yale. Nor is it an accident when Princeton keeps coming out ahead in student measurements concerning quality of life, student happiness, graduate starting salaries, etc. etc.<br>
Yale is an excellent university. Top notch. Princeton has never over extended itself (in terms offering numerous vocational programs, etc.) and continues to be the best at what it does. This sentiment was captured in the following college guide book:</p>
<p>âChoosing the Right Collegeâ 2008 - 2009 edition (an ISI Guide) </p>
<p>Subtitle: The Whole Truth about Americaâs Top Schools </p>
<p>This newest college guide, touted as the nationâ most comprehensive, promotes Princeton as the nationâs best undergraduate university and âmost exclusive clubâ among universities. Further referring to Princeton as âthe undergraduateâs Ivyâ being âalmost always rated the number one school in Americaâ. </p>
<p>Princeton is described as being âas close to the intellectual ideal for undergraduates as one can find in a top research universityâ. </p>
<p>Amazon.com: Choosing the Right College: The Whole Truth About Americaâs 100 Top Schools: Intercollegiate Studies Institute, Jeffrey O. Nelson, Gregory Wolfe, William J. Bennett</p>
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<p>deter1, your stats are silly. As princeton12 admitted, starting salaries may just reveal that more Yalies go on to become teachers/community service leaders/etc while more Princeton grads choose ibanking.</p>
<p>I could bounce back at you with NUMEROUS rankings that place Yale above Princeton and MYRIAD quotes that say Yale is unparalleled. I could start quoting revealed preferences, Yaleâs greater yield rate, Princetonâs higher admit rate, endowments, and other bull****.</p>
<p>But I wonât go on about that. Why? Because you are being an idiot. Trying to prove that Princeton is âbetterâ or the âbestâ is RIDICULOUS. The op is looking for some of the differences b/w the schools; he is not looking for you to find every book you can that values Princeton over Yale and then dismissing every book that shows Yale over Princeton.</p>
<p>All I can say is that Iâm glad I donât go to school with you deter1.</p>
<p>if i were you, id probably go princeton, dont ask me a reason why, i didnt apply to either schools so its not like i can give an opinion, just seems like princeton is more in line with you</p>
<p>Booyashka,
Without referring to a ridiculous foreign poll, try giving me just one national academic ranking publication which places Yale ahead of Princeton (because I have yet to see one!). Something within the past 10 years. Or, give me one credible College Guide book which, academically, places Yale ahead of Princeton. Or, give me one national survey which places Yale ahead of Princeton in quality of life, happiness, etc.</p>
<p>Because, I havenât seen one!</p>
<p>And spare me the reference to revealed preference which involved a study of 3,200 teenagers conducted some 13 years ago by an individual on the Harvard payroll. Talk about objectivity!</p>
<p>Rather than rely on the college opinions of high-schoolers, perhaps you should give greater consideration to the students who actually attend the colleges:</p>
<p><a href=âhttp://talk.collegeconfidential.com/visits/college_rank_summary.html?sortby=rank_acad&sortdir=desc[/url]â>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/visits/college_rank_summary.html?sortby=rank_acad&sortdir=desc</a> </p>
<p>PS. Princetonâs endowment, per capita, is the largest in the world.</p>
<p>go away deter1. You are a â â â â â .</p>
<p>12 of my classmates are currently at Princeton. I am at Yale. I rely on their opinions, not random high schoolers. And look at the Princetonianâs own forums for happiness etc!!!</p>
<p>Iâm not going to respond to you b/c any poll/stat/source I cite you are going to discount. All I can say is that I donât know why you are so defensive. You must be really insecure. What will happen to you when Princeton falls in the next issue of US News and World Report!!! Geez⊠I really feel sorry for youâŠ</p>
<p>Many yalies choose to go into non-profit organizations, so they donât make as much money as they could.</p>
<p>Booyshka,
Just as I thought, you failed to meet the challenge. Nothing against you, but I knew you would. I was not kidding when I said I have not seen a major, national academic ranking publication in the past 10 years which placed Yale ahead of Princeton. Itâs not just US News, I can name at least 7 or more national academic rankings all indicating that Princeton is superior to Yale. The same holds true for the college guide books (including Yaleâs own) and the national surveys.
Rather than support my statements with he said/she said or my friend said this or my friend said that, I prefer to cite unbiased research from those in the business of evaluating colleges.</p>
<p>PS. Since when is citing research defensive? Itâs refusing to look at or recognize research that is defensive.</p>
<p>The notion that we should view relative academic strength at the worldâs top universities through the prism of starting salary is really sad. HYP grads should be using their talents and knowledge to perform community service and organize after they graduate, not make money. We need another metric, folks.</p>
<p>deter1, Princeton has played the U.S. News ratings game pretty adeptly for the last ten years. The old administration was very skilled at keeping a low admit rate and high yield. This is nothing against them. But I think that even in the US News rankings, HYP are pretty much on the same level. For example, this year H=100, P=99, and Y=98, while SM=94. This indicates a basically indistinguishable difference even in this meaningless ranking system.</p>
<p>Excepted,
Did you ever think the school might have something to do with the quality of a studentâs placement/salary?</p>
<p>For example:
[Top</a> Ten Graduate Programs for International Jobs](<a href=âhttp://www.transitionsabroad.com/publications/magazine/9707/top_ten_graduate_programs_for_international_jobs.shtml]Topâ>http://www.transitionsabroad.com/publications/magazine/9707/top_ten_graduate_programs_for_international_jobs.shtml)</p>
<p>Milessmiles,
It was never suggested that one factor alone determined a schoolâs quality. That is exactly why I introduced a multitude of unbiased, national publications to support my views. Itâs interesting that you chose one source or factor (US News) alone to demonstrate how close Yale was to Princeton. You chose to ignore the other unbiased national rankings (Forbes, CP, Atlantic Monthly) which show a greater disparity. You also chose to ignore the national College Guides and Surveys which also show significant disparities. Each of these sources reflects professional research conducted by those in the business of evaluating colleges.</p>
<p>Hahaha. I just remember Gilmore Girls when Lorelai was like something about âFilthy, dirty Princetonâ
and Rory said something like âYou think thereâs only 2 guys cleaning all of Princeton?â</p>
<p>And for Yale they said something like at Yale you get to meet the next Meryl Streep when sheâs 18 and all crazy. </p>
<p>Just a random thought.</p>
<p>Wow deter1, so now youâre citing grad school statistics. Congrats for more irrelevance.</p>
<p>I h8 any ranking, but Iâm sure <a href=âWSJ in Higher Education | Trusted News & Real-World Insightsâ>WSJ in Higher Education | Trusted News & Real-World Insights; is an irrelevant ranking according to you. Or <a href=âhttp://www.topuniversities.com/university_rankings/results/2008/overall_rankings/top_100_universities/[/url]â>http://www.topuniversities.com/university_rankings/results/2008/overall_rankings/top_100_universities/</a> because it is âforeign.â But somehow any ranking that has Princeton at the top is âobjective.â Basically Yale canât beat Princeton in anything according to you?!?! What about yield? What about admit rate? What about cross admit yield?</p>
<p>I shouldnât have said this. Now youâre going to go bananzas LOLz and try to justify everything.</p>
<p>JUST GO BACK TO YOUR OWN BOARD! The distinctions you are trying to make are stupid and not helpful to admits.</p>
<p>The age-old Yale phrase: âHarvard sucks and Princeton doesnât matter!â</p>
<p>Princetonâs Elitist Image: +1</p>
<p>booyaksha,
It is interesting that you have to go overseas to find a ranking. Itâs like asking a foreigner to explain to you the difference between American schools. (Little wonder the ranking has Dartmouth outside the top 200 but BU at #43). LOL
Is it possible that, in the past 10 years, there is not one national (AMERICAN) academic ranking publication which places Yale ahead of Princeton?<br>
College Guides usually make it a point to remain neutral about schools, but I have produced at least 6 which felt confident enough to make bold statements about Princetonâs top academic status. You?
I have submitted surveys of 100,000+ current college students.
You refer to a 13 yr. old, 3,200 student survey (written by an employee of Harvard) indicating their college choice. </p>
<p>PS. The grad school ranking was introduced to show that recognition of school departments can help with jobs. Despite all your introduction of business and grad school stats, Princeton grads earn more even later in life.</p>
<p>hey smile614,
Did the Gilmore Girls take part in the 2009 PR âDream Schoolâ rankings?
Apparently, when 12,715 high schoolers were asked to name their dream school not enough voted for Yale, which fell not only behind Princeton but NYU as well. When parents were asked to name their âDream Schoolâ Yale not only lost to Princeton again, but also Notre Dame!
But I donât want to speak for Yale. It has long had interest in this ranking:</p>
<p>[Yale</a> Daily News - NYU trumps Yale in dream school rankings](<a href=âhttp://www.yaledailynews.com/articles/view/16980]Yaleâ>http://www.yaledailynews.com/articles/view/16980)</p>
<p>deter1, I exactly predicted how you would react, although youâve still failed to dismiss admit rate/yield/cross admit preferences (please donât respond to that though). Honestly, I donât care about anything you have to say and I donât think most ppl do.</p>
<p>Who would want to go to school with you? Seriously?!?!</p>
<p>Yale dudeâŠ</p>