Yale vs. Stanford for Pre-law (Grade inflation?)

I find myself in the incredibly blessed position of deciding between these two schools. I never thought I’d find myself here, but as life sometimes does, here I am. I know that there are many threads about this comparison, but there are fewer about comparing law school placement and grade inflation. I’d really appreciate any input I can get on this decision and on my thought process.

I believe I’d be happy at either school (although Yale’s residential colleges are a plus), and my financial aid offers are similar, so I can rule out these factors. I am from the West Coast, though I’m not averse to the cold (at least I hope not lol). I will probably major in political science, and not in a STEM field. Graduate school rankings notwithstanding, my impression is that Yale’s political science department is (marginally) more prestigious than Stanford’s. However, Stanford’s also has many resources, amazing professors, proximity to Hoover, and fewer students, so each student can get more guidance and face time with professors. Stanford is also on the rise as a university, though I suspect that most of its reputation is grounded in the sciences and technology. Do you think these departments are similar in accessibility to internships in politics and law and to research opportunities during the year? Which do you think is better?

Perhaps the biggest unknown I face is the question of which school has more grade inflation. I’ve looked at all the data that is publicly available for both schools, and it is clear that they both have inflation, at least in the humanities/social sciences. I heard that Stanford might be more inflated, but I don’t know whether this is true. Part of Stanford’s inflation seems to be by practice; by looking at Stanford’s Carta website, which contains official grade distributions of most classes, I have found some classes that have most (and in some cases, all) students receiving A-'s, A’s, or A+'s. The other part of Stanford’s inflation seems to come from policy; Stanford’s grading scale includes an A+ grade, which the Law School Admission Council weights at 4.33 points. Yale’s highest grade is a straight A. In most Stanford classes, A+'s are hard to come by and so I cannot reasonably expect to earn one. In certain classes, however, a larger proportion of students earn A+'s. Which school do you think has more inflation, and ultimately, will lend itself to better law placement?

I hope I do not come off as overly careerist; I do hope to learn and grow at college. But since these two colleges (and many others) provide excellent education, I would like to also consider soft factors in my decision. Again, I really appreciate any input you may have, and I thank you for reading this long-winded post.

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In terms of getting into a top law school there is no meaningful difference between these two universities. In terms of internships and research, ditto. In both cases, the choices you make will matter much, much, much more than any real or imagined differences between them. Including whether they have an “A+” option or not. To-may-to, to- mah-to.

Moreover, these elements are not what people are referring to when they talk about “soft factors”: “soft factors” are things more like how you responded to the campus environment when you visited, how much or little things such as being near or far to home matter to you, east coast/west coast vibe, etc.

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I wouldn’t worry about grades, because as a humanities or social science major it’ll be similarly difficult to get the grades needed for law school at either. I can’t speak for Stanford but Yale has one of the strongest political landscapes, with a large number of students admitted to top law schools, and there are opportunities to take cross listed classes as an undergrad.

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@crazycents Don’t worry about grades. Yale has more grads going to law school than Stanford. Yale law has 69 Yale grads enrolled and only 16 from Stanford. You will be better off at Yale http://bulletin.printer.yale.edu/pdffiles/law.pdf

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Thanks everyone for your input.

@exyalie15 To play devil’s advocate: might I stand out in Stanford’s political science department, which I believe has a third as many students but has nearly as many full-time faculty? And Stanford sure isn’t lacking – its has the Hoover Institute, similarly great and unique (Condoleezza Rice) professors, etc.

@crazycents: what @collegemom3717 said. There is no wrong answer here. Go where you feel most comfortable - there are more opportunities at either place than you will ever be able to exploit. You’re overthinking it, imo - particularly as regards the relative grade inflation. Congratulations.

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@crazycents - I won’t spend time wondering where you will stand out. If you go to a top school, no matter which one, you will be the lone star that stands out among the gifted or you will be one of the gifted who gets great recommendations, good grades and a place in a fantastic law school.

For what it’s worth though, there are plenty of ways to carve out a unique path at Yale in political science, be it by internships, research projects or course schedule. One of the good things about having a huge department where seminars are often the norm is that you have so many different classes to choose from, and so many paths to take that would differentiate you from your peers. Also, extracurriculars like the YPU and YIRA are great to demonstrate interest beyond the classroom, and they work best with critical mass.

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@crazycents You can’t go wrong with either choice here. Actually yale does not have a more prestigious/better political science department, with are more or less in equal, and in fact in most major rankings Stanford is ranked a bit higher or the same.
Stanford is not really on the rise, it is already there. In terms of global reputation it is in the top 3, rivaling Harvard and MIT. Its reputation comes from being top or near the top in every singly field, including social sciences, humanities, law, business etc, not just STEM.

In terms of grade inflation, Stanford is thought to have slightly more , but Yale is pretty inflated too so that shouldn’t be an issue.

In terms of law school placement both do equally well, with Stanford having fewer people applying to law school than Yale, hence the difference in enrollment in Yale law that @CA94309 mentions. Also Yale law admits more Yale students, Harvard law admits more Harvard students etc…

Also the political science enrollment at Stanford is smaller which means smaller classes.

In the end, you should choose the school you fit in best at. Yale and Stanford have substantial differences in terms of vibe and atmosphere. There are not any differences in opportunities or quality.

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Seriously, this is not the way to choose between Stanford and Yale. You can get into a top law school from either one, but you are going to need to do well on the LSAT and have a high GPA at either. They are very different schools and you should go to the one you like better because you’re more likely to do well there.

Moreover, you can’t look at the number of students ATTENDING one particular law school and draw any conclusions. If you like Stanford and want to practice on the West Coast, it may make sense to go to Stanford Law over Yale Law even if you get into both.

Lots of people are in relationships when they start law school. If your SO is working in NY or Boston, you’re less likely to head off to California. If your SO has a job in San Francisco or LA, you’ll probably choose Stanford Law over Harvard or Yale, even if you get in both.

My favorite Yalie, now a lawyer, didn’t apply to Stanford Law because she loathes Stanford. Every year she was in college, she spent at least a few days at Stanford and sometimes 10 days, so she had a good “feel” for Stanford and just plain didn’t like it. Plenty of people at Stanford have no desire to spend time in the Northeast cold. So…once again…don’t assume that the number of people ATTENDING a law school who graduated from a given college is a measure of how easy it is to get in from a particular school.

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Look like Harvard Yale Princeton Columbia Brown UPenn undergrads are doing better than Stanford undergrads.

Yale Law JD programs undergrad represented

Yale College 69
Harvard College 65
Princeton 37
Columbia 36
Brown 22
Amherst 18
UPenn 17
UC Berkeley 16
Stanford 16

@JamesVanc look at that number for tiny little Amherst. 8->

@JamesVanc again stop with the misinformation. Yake law is of course going to accept more Yale grads ( just like Harvard law accepts more Harvard grads and Stanford law probably more Stanfors grads). Also there are fewer Stanford grads applyin to law school to begin with, and also many stay west ( Stanford, Berkeley, UCLA).

To say one school is doing better than another at sending its students to law school X you need to have the number of people from that school applying to law school X and the number accepted to that law school ( not the number enrolled).