<p>You only want a business education, then go to Wharton. If you want more than that, then go to Yale. If you only want a business education, don’t waste your place at a great liberal arts school because others will take advantage of what that offers. </p>
<p>Do you understand what a Yale education is? I’m disappointed. I’d hope they’d admit kids who value a liberal education.</p>
<p>I do understand what a Yale education is, and that is a large part of the reason I applied to the school. I’m just having a very difficult time choosing between two great schools, seeing as I can’t predict the future and know what my career will be. Even high schoolers who say that they are definite in studying business are susceptible to changing their minds. And that really isn’t their fault, as who is to know what college experience will be better without knowing how their interests will develop in college?</p>
<p>As if you cannot study things that interest at Wharton as well. I plan to minor in Philosophy for instance. Penn has a wealth of options and top profs to learn from. You lose nothing by going to Wharton, but you gain actual skills that you can use. You learn finance at a deep theoretical level. You do not have to get an MBA. Many Whartonites also go onto medicine school, get PHDs in Chemistry, become full bright scholars and study economic development in China. The breadth is available at Wharton as well. People who do not know anything about Wharton assume things about it that are just incorrect.</p>
<p>Check out this thread: </p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/princeton-university/896715-huntsman-vs-princeton.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/princeton-university/896715-huntsman-vs-princeton.html</a></p>
<p><a href=“http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/wharton/surveys/Wharton2008Report.pdf[/url]”>http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/wharton/surveys/Wharton2008Report.pdf</a></p>
<p>It seems to me like you’re not 100% set on business. Although Wharton will also provide the liberal arts courses through Penn, I don’t think it can compare to Yale. With Wharton you’re basically set in the finance field and you have various professional/grad programs open. With Yale I think you have every single door possible open.</p>
<p>I was just looking over the courses at Yale and planning on how I want to double major in computer science and economics along with the MS in comp sci through the special program at Yale. I saw it would lock about 30 courses and I thought that my AP’s would cover the general requirement. </p>
<p>Then I took a step back and realized I was being stupid. Here I have the opportunity to attend one of the greatest liberal arts institution in the country and I’m going to limit my focus? Not a chance. I want to take the English/History/Politics/Non-Science stuff that composes of a true Liberal Arts education and that’s why I chose Yale over Penn. Both schools are great but I think the options and the experiences I’ll have/get at Yale will be better for me.</p>
<p>Good luck mate! Hopefully I’ll see you at New Haven next year.</p>
<p>Ya, I definately agree with An0maly. Though I think it depends how uncertain you are. For example, I am not sure I wanna b an Ibanker. Though, I do know I want to get an Econ degree because almost every possible career path I am considering (Med, consulting, Ibanking, business law) could be GREATLY enhanced with a financial degree. </p>
<p>Honestly, you can’t go wrong with either choice. While UPenn does provide some liberal arts, Yale would prbly give you an even more holistic educational view. Thats not really for me but it may be for you. Just visit and research. At this point, rankings dont matter and it all comes down to fit.</p>
<p>It is not like there is a huge difference in the quality of the liberal arts departments between Yale and Penn. If you look at the National research council’s rankings, Penn has many top top notch departments (and many of that are superior to Yale). Penn is just one place behind Yale on US news and it is middle Ivy, the liberal arts experience is going to be very similar. It is not like Plato’s republic is going to become so much better if you are studying it with a prof that published 500 articles on the book instead of 450, both of whom have Harvard PHDs. Plus, Penn has the one university concept. That means you can take classes at any of its graduate schools. So you can sit in on courses at Penn Law School, or attend Penn Med School lectures (the oldest med school in the country, top 3 along with Harvard and John Hopkins). The opportunities are limitless. Plus, you have a much wider range of choices within the financial industry itself. Yale sends almost no one to PE or Hedge funds directly out of undergrad. Such firms recruit most of their class at Wharton. That’s because they are small and cannot train you as much so they want kids who are ready from day one, so Wharton kids have a huge advantage in getting hired. Some firms, like Silver Lake, recruit exclusively at Wharton. If your goal is to get into finance, Wharton is the best place on earth. If, however, you find the idea of studying detestable, I would recommend Harvard over Yale since it has a far far larger alumni network in the financial world. If you do not mind studying business, Wharton is the clear choice. </p>
<p>Look at this:</p>
<p>As you can see, some Whartonites end up in many varied fields. You can do everything you can do at Yale at Wharton. Wharton does not pigeon hole you, that is a myth. This list, that shows you where Whartonites go right after undergrad, proves that. </p>
<p>Business and Public Policy
Harvard University - Kennedy School, MPP (Public Policy-Social Policy & Inequality)
Finance
Harvard University, MPP (Public Policy)
Harvard University, JD (Law)
MIT, PhD (Financial Economics)
Stanford University, MA (International Relations)
University of Pennsylvania - Wharton School, MBA (Private Equity, Strategic Management)
University of Pennsylvania - Wharton School, MBA (Finance)
University of Pennsylvania - Wharton School, MBA (Entrepreneurial Management)
University of Pennsylvania - Wharton School, MBA (Finance, Management)
University of Southern California, JD (Law)
Finance/Bioengineering/Biotechnology
University of Pennsylvania, MS (Biotechnology)
Finance/History
University of Maryland, JD (Law)
Finance/International Studies and Business
London School of Economics, MSc (Economics)
Oxford University, MSc (Economics for Development)
Finance/International Studies and Business/East Asian Languages and Civilizations
Peking University, Fulbright Scholar (Economic Development)
Health Care Management & Policy/Bioengineering
University of Pennsylvania, MD (Medicine)
Management
Tulane University, JD (Law)
Marketing
University of Pennsylvania, M.S. Ed. (Higher Education Management)
University of Southern California, MFA (Producing)
Operations and Information Management/Chemistry
Harvard University, PhD (Chemistry)
Real Estate/Individualized Major (SEAS)
London School of Economics, MSE (Real Estate)</p>
<p>kafkareborn, you bring up good points.</p>
<p>On a related note, is there some reason you don’t like Yale? On an other thread, you posted “Yale seems so depressing.”</p>
<p>Is there any reason why? Thanks.</p>
<p>No. Lol, I applied to Wharton ED. My father went to Harvard though, he used to dunk me in water if I ever said the word Yale, bad memories, JK! Just today I wrote a post about how I admired Yale’s debate team (it was the same post that I said I found the campus to be depressing). If I wanted to become a lawyer, I would almost have certainly gone to Yale above any other school, since Humanities are its main strength. Two of my cousins went to Yale. Plus, my prep school is a feeder school to Yale. If anything, I should be boosting Yale.</p>
<p>But what made you think Yale seemed depressing? Just wondering. Congrats on Wharton ED btw.</p>
<p>I wasnt a huge fan of the neighborhood around Yale…which kind of made it depressing. However, that was just a personal thing. The gothic style of most buildings at Yale is simply stunning. Though, Huntsman Hall is every bit as fantastic.</p>
<p>Thanks. I just did not like the gothic architecture. The architecture coupled with the gray sky and weather made me feel like commiting suicide. It was like seeing a dementor. Lol, I am kidding, it was not that bad, just was not my thing. Some people think it is the nicest campus on earth.</p>
<p>I hope to see you on campus. Try to go to Penn on the 16th. It is spring Fling (the biggest college party on the east coast. Kid come from all over the east coast to be there. This year Snoop dog and kesha are coming, last year it was Akon and a few other people. I hear it is just amazing. It’ll give you a taste of Penn culture.</p>
<p>Kid Cudi too! How is that going to work out? Going to admitted events and everything with spring fling going on?</p>
<p>No clue, ha. But that’s okay. I am sure they have handled this type of thing before.</p>
<p>If you choose Wharton without visiting it first, you’re crazy. Yale is not in a nice city, but the campus is fantastic and beautiful. Wharton is nice. But when you visit the two schools, there is a distinct difference in the atmosphere and appearance. I loved Wharton until I actually visited it and compared it to some other Ivies (Brown, Princeton, Harvard, and Yale specifically)</p>
<p>From reading the kafkareborn thread comparing Wharton to Princeton and now to Yale, I think we can confirm him as a strong Wharton homer. Absolutely, if you go to Wharton over Yale, you better be pigeonholed in business. Sure, you can go on to do many things out of Wharton. But that’s true of almost any College–one of the richest men I’ve ever met got his undergraduate at a Community College. The point is not that you can’t do certain things after graduating from Wharton–the point is that Yale is far better in every academic category with the exception of Business, which Yale doesn’t offer. The only reason to choose Penn over Yale is for the Wharton Business school in the first place, so if you change your major–while you won’t be trapped–you’ll have definitely made the wrong decision.</p>
<p>Then the question is raised whether, if you’re sure you want to enter business, you prefer Yale or Wharton. I’m a prospective student this Spring, I chose not even to apply to Wharton. The way I see it, when it comes to business, I’m probably going to want to go on to get my MBA. I have a tough time believing Business graduate schools are going to treat Wharton students in a higher regard than they’ll treat students from Harvard and Yale. At worst, they’ll be equal–and that’s if they don’t consider that Yale and Harvard are generally more selective and attract a higher quality of student, even if the Whartonites already know a bunch because of their undergraduate experience.</p>
<p>Again, its a matter of opinion, but unlike kaf, I’m not an alumni (or current student?) of either of the schools. I’m making my College choices (with an interest in business) just like the OP is. I chose during the admissions process that I wasn’t interested in Wharton, simply because it doesn’t offer enough advantages to make the up for its disadvantages, such as the campus, the quality of fellow student, and the huge deficits in comparison to Yale if you’d like to change your major.</p>
<p>That was my opinion, and I’ll understand if your opinions are different, because its admittedly in the eye of the beholder. But my advice to you would be to keep in mind the greatest Wharton supporter on this thread is likely a bit biased due to his ED to Wharton–and he might admit as much. If you decide to go to Wharton, definitely visit first. I loved it until I did so.</p>
<p>@Msauce</p>
<p>“Yale is far better in every academic category with the exception of Business”</p>
<p>Not even close to reality</p>
<p>“Yale and Harvard are generally more selective and attract a higher quality of student”</p>
<p>When looking at Penn as a whole yes, but when comparing to Wharton the quality of students and selectivity is virtually the same.</p>
<p>Yes, I am biased. But notice, you did not deconstruct any of my arguments. It is one thing to say that I am biased, it is quite another to prove that I am wrong. </p>
<p>“the point is that Yale is far better in every academic category with the exception of Business, which Yale doesn’t offer.” </p>
<p>That is simply not true. Penn Med is light years ahead of Yale Med, for instance. That is relevant because you can take classes there as an undergrad at Penn. Penn has the one university concept, so you can take classes at any of Penn’s grad schools. Penn is stronger in many sciences than Yale because of the Med school. Penn also has a better anthropology department, and numerous other departments. Don’t let the whole general prestige thing sway you. These are both ivy league schools, both offer a superb liberal arts experience, the only difference is that Wharton offers you more on top of that. </p>
<p>“Business graduate schools are going to treat Wharton students in a higher regard than they’ll treat students from Harvard and Yale. At worst, they’ll be equal–and that’s if they don’t consider that Yale and Harvard are generally more selective and attract a higher quality of student”</p>
<p>Not true. Wharton is just as selective as Harvard and Yale (similar SATs and acceptance rate, its yield is higher than both at 80%). At this level, business schools do not give a rats ass where you went to college. The only thing that matters is work experience and college GPA. You will probably get a better job coming out of Wharton than Yale, so you will be more completive. Plus, why would you even want to go to business school? You already know everything the MBAs know, you learned the stuff from the same profs ! Most Whartonites do not go back to get an MBA because they can get the same jobs you can get with 2 degrees simply with their single degree. There is also no guarantee that you will be accepted by a top MBA program. Most traders never get an MBA, an MBA is not valued in that field no matter where you went to school. Many businessmen realize that an MBA is only good if you want to switch careers and for networking. That’s it. </p>
<p>“The only reason to choose Penn over Yale is for the Wharton Business school in the first place, so if you change your major–while you won’t be trapped–you’ll have definitely made the wrong decision.”</p>
<p>Not true, you can double major in the field you want. Many Whartonites do that and end up at top grad schools (look above, some become MDs). No doors are closed to you by going to Wharton. The reverse is not true, getting into high finance jobs (PE hedge, hedge funds, is much much much easier out of Wharton than Yale) I explained why that is the case and provided proof on the princeton vs huntsman thread. </p>
<p>Ultimately, it is up to you. Go visit both schools. See what you think. Hear what the students have to say. See which students you like more. And go to the school you love. Both schools are wonderful.</p>
<h2>MSauce wrote: “the point is that Yale is far better (than Penn) in every academic category with the exception of Business”</h2>
<p>Good lord, where did you get that broad brush, at the store for crude thinkers? That’s as silly as saying that Harvard is better in every academic category (than Yale) with the exception of Theater.</p>
<p>The question, again, is blunt and simple: a business education versus a liberal education. The answer depends on the person. To argue about the relative worth of the schools is stupid. I’ve never understood this ridiculous hair-splitting among very good schools. We’re not comparing community college to Ivy League. Most of the differences are imagined or important only in the mind of the advocate - and that means, of course, the real issue is the need of the advocate to get others to agree, to win, to impose a perspective. </p>
<p>It matters if we’re talking grad schools, but not so much if we’re talking top tier grad schools, particularly in business because that feeds into the economy, not into academia. Want to be an economics professor? Better go to one of the top ranked grad schools. Want to be successful in life, in business? That’s a much wider universe and you’ll find highly successful people from many programs - and from no program at all. </p>
<p>Why do people confuse these issues? Especially intelligent people who get into places like Wharton or Yale?</p>
<p>Is there a link where I can view graduate school placement for Y and W graduates?</p>
<p>No such link exists. Wharton would probably not do as well in that regard, but that is only because they do not need or want to go to grad school. They can get the same jobs as the Yalie with an MBA with just their Wharton degree since it is that respected. </p>
<p>The fact of the matter is, it depends on you. People go onto to top grad schools from both Wharton and Yale. Grad school adcoms would view both equally (they are much more concerned with what you did after school, not where you went to school though). The question is what YOU want to do. Wharton gives you the flexibility of deciding that you do not want to go get an MBA at all. Or you could pursue a law degree, and have the equivalent of an MBA without pursuing a JD / MBA. You would have the equivalent of a JD / MBA without taking an additional 2 years out of your life. Options exist to earn an MBA in a single year as well, or to place out of basic courses in your MBA program and take more electives. It is just more efficient. </p>
<p>Remember, even if you decide to become a chemist when you are in Wharton, the skills you learn will be transferable to your job. You learn how to manage a team, how to set up your own company, how to manage your expenses, and just about everything else under the sun. It is a full blown MBA. If you look at the list I provided above, it shows that Whartonites pursue chemistry degrees at Harvard, Medical School at Penn, and go onto become Fulbright scholars in China. If they choose to do all that, they can do so easily. My advice to you is simple: If you are leaning towards becoming an econ Prof. go to Yale, if you are leaning towards entering business, go to Wharton. It is that simple. Remember, you also take liberal arts courses at Penn. I am going to minor (maybe double major) in philosophy, simply because I find the subject interesting. You do not sacrifice the liberal arts by going to Wharton. Finance, as an academic subject, also interests me immensely. I would love to study under Siegel and Souleles, legends in their field.</p>
<p>Go on the revisits. Try to talk to people there. Figure out why the cross admits turned down Yale or Wharton. They will probably be the most helpful people to you. See which student body you like more. Where would you have more fun? Do you prefer Philly to New Haven? Which campus do you like? Which school will help you with your career goals better? For instance, if you are gunning for PE, you would probably go to Wharton over Yale; if you just want to be a normal banker, then both schools will do and the cultural stuff mentioned above takes precedent. </p>
<p>I think that is all I have to say on this topic. Good luck on your decision, you are smart, I am sure that whatever choice you make, it will be the right choice for you.</p>