<p>somedumbnoob, while that logic has been thoroughly debunked elsewhere, I'll only state that that doesn't really apply when your ACT score doesn't even break the 25th percentile at half the colleges you're applying to, isn't at the very top of her class (at a public school), and doesn't have any significant state or national achievements. Unless she's secretly a double legacy who has a tiny drop of URM blood in her, the odds aren't good.</p>
<p>Plus she isn't even sending in the mid-year report.</p>
<p>^ Schools like Cornell and Chicago range from 28-32 and 28-33, respectively. A 30 is only outside of the middle 50% at Harvard... even Yale and Princeton both range from 30-34. Top 15 sounds like a rank, not a percentile. And I seriously doubt someone would neglect to send in a midyear report- that sounds like more of a pretentious joke than anything.</p>
<p>While I'm well aware that such calculations are flawed, I'm just saying that... for someone who isn't that much worse than the average student at those colleges and for someone who applied to that many colleges, an acceptance to one of them might not be so unlikely.</p>
<p>Funny thing is, there are people like this all over and a lot of the times, they DO get things they want! Some people are just "golden" and everything they touch always goes their way. I wouldn't be surprised if this girl does get in somewhere! Things are funny like that....</p>
<p>I think VeryHappy's right, though---there's a good chance that she's lying or exaggerating about the places she applied. Her overconfidence could just very well be a mask of her real insecurity. I have found this to be very common. I completely understand your frustration, however, and I'd say just try to accept her ridiculousness and have confidence in yourself to not be affected by her.</p>
<p>theres obviously a chance the girl is lying. but there is also a very REAL chance that everything shes saying is true.</p>
<p>i can say that because i attended high school with a girl not too different than the one described... only she wasnt even close to top 15 in her class and i highly doubt she scored in the 1300s on her sats. she applied to columbia. and georgetown. and a few other highly selective schools at which she had no real chance of admission.</p>
<p>the gc didnt stop her because the gc had no clue. she knew the admissions procedures for penn state and the local small state schools as well as anyone on earth. unfortunately, her knowledge ended there. at one point she even admitted to one of my friends that she had never heard of amherst.</p>
<p>anyway, when the rejections did come, things got ugly. the student was the joke of the intelligent kids in my class and the scrambling for a 'respectable' offer of admission in april was not fun to watch. as such, i would very strongly suggest that she find a safety. the extra month could prove huge as slots at rolling schools dry up.</p>
<p>But if she lied about where she was applying, when decisions came, everyone would know she didn't get into the schools she said she was applying to. I'm sure everyone would ask about it. It'd be a pretty sutpid thing to lie about. Or, she could be lying about her stats to make them seem lower for...I dunno? Maybe she wants people to think she's so good these schools will take her even if she doesn't follow the rules or have super stats.</p>
<p>The son of a colleague applied to an insane number of colleges at the same time as our daughter did.
The parents spent the winter bragging about it. most were highly selective schools. It honestly seemed like an ego stroke for the parents. He was a pretty good student, but not in the top ten and ranked lower than our D
( though we were silent about that while dad ran his mouth ) He got into a couple of them, though ultimately went to the local community college when push came to shove....he just wasn't ready to leave the overbearing nest of his parents. A humbling experience for his mom and dad</p>
<p>I know a girl that applied to Stanford just to apply and she not only got in, but got a full scholarship. XD It wasn outside scholarship, but still, full ride to Stanford. So sometimes it happens and people get in, though, personally, I feel people should really think about where they're applying and see if they can keep up with the workload. There's no point in going to a selective school if you're just going to drop out and some people, while being very smart, are also very lazy.</p>
<p>I dunno, the kid in question may have a URM "hook" and that might get her a foot in the ivy door w/a 30 ACT or a 2020 SAT. But of more concern is the "senioritis" described with respect to the ECs. That's weird for someone motivated to attend an ivy. Doesn't really add up -- unless she's lying about having sent in the mid-year grades, etc.</p>
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<p>That's a misconception. If your stats suck and you apply to 10 Ivy caliber schools, your chances don't increase. Every school has it's own adcom and if they say you suck, you do. Had there been a common adcom for Ivys, things would've been a little different.</p>
<p>Hey everybody. I forgot about this post until now (lol). Just to clear up a few things:
- She's no URM. She's your average caucasian, middle class student who attends a public school (opened three years ago). We do live in Nevada if that helps, but our school is actually on the advisory list because not enough students did well on the math section of one of the tests required by the No Child Left Behind Act last year.
- I know that she applied to all of these schools because her counselor brags about it to every teacher and student. This is our second year with a senior class, so everyone at the school is really happy that they "may have a future Ivy-leaguer."
- Top 15 is a rank, not a percentage. However, at our not-exactly-challenging school, having taken the 10 AP classes that she has taken, her rank should be within the top 3 (unless she really messed up grade wise).
- As for the post that doesn't believe it's a real situation, I swear it is. I know that quite a few people have said that maybe she lied about where she applied, and maybe it is true that she applied to a few safety schools. However, as far as I know, she is only keeping in mind one safety. It's the local college that is pretty good, but it's starting GPA is about 2.8, and she has missed the financial aid priority deadline (meaning she'll have to take whatever they give her). I tried to encourage her to apply anyway because I find it hard to believe that she simply assumes she'll get into an Ivy, but what do I know?
Here's hoping she gets in and my concern has been for nothing! I may not exactly adore her attitude, but I'm just so upset with her GC for not asking her what her backups are.</p>
<p>wow, I definitely know someone like that....love her to death but gets on my nerves every time she becomes over confident in things that everyone else knows she doesn't have a crap of a chance in </p>
<p>I've been reading chance posts on this site for a while and I'm pretty critical in my ratings. While 10 APs are a good sign, but what are her scores? <-- that's the important part when it comes to ivies. </p>
<p>They might give her a break due to the level of the public school she attends, but ivies have also been known to take more kids from schools that have been known to be good. </p>
<p>Either way, please post again when decisions come back, I, like many other ^^, really would like to know how this ends.</p>
<p>Things will most likely take care of themselves. </p>
<p>If she gets in, then she will def. have to work to stay in. That means the confidence will probably hault after, say, two days at an IVY? (With all that competition -and the fact that there' no one to hold her hand or claim that she's the brightest...)</p>
<p>If she doesn't get in, then the confidence will surely fade away. </p>
<p>Anyways, just smile and try to change the subject. It's what I always do when this *ahem, friend, says things like "I'm really smart, I know I'll succeed in whatever I want to do...blah blah blah"</p>
<p>Oh, and maybe she's specifically talking to you because she thinks you're smart and prefers your opinion. Or maybe she's just better at hiding her nerves. </p>
<p>What's gonna suck is when she doesn't get into one...I'm kind of feeling sorry for her now... :-/ (ppl will talk...)</p>
<p>First of all, I just wanted to comment that the title of this thread, taken in context (on CC), made me laugh for over 2 minutes (I think I'm just weird).</p>
<p>But uh, about the midyear report, NU was going to remove my application unless I sent them my midyear report (it apparently got lost in the mail; I ended up faxing and mailing again). So to answer her question, yes, they will probably reject her just for that.</p>
<p>Kinda weird that you know all about her college admissions obstacles.. probably better than she herself knows them. Are you insecure about where you're applying? Would you be jealous if she DID get into one of these schools? Just sounds like normal high school rivalry except that you seem to know everything about her case which puzzles me.</p>