Match Me - PA resident for English + History, PoliSci & Music. Classical vocalist spike. 3.6/33

One of the concerns that I feel coming across is that your daughter (and perhaps your family) are concerned that some of the schools being mentioned may not have the intellectual chops or peers that she has grown to expect from her college environment.

One data point that I like to look at is the ratio of the number of alums who have gone on to earn a doctorate (between 2000-2018…the latest year available in the data set I use) as compared to the undergraduate population. There is no need to go on for a doctorate in any field and not all majors are conducive to doing so. With that said, however, I do think it can be an indication of the type of people one might find on a college campus.

I’ve gone on ahead and done the ratio for the schools your D is considering, as well as several of the schools that others have mentioned. The list is sorted from highest ratio to lowest. I want to make an important caveat here and say that the almost all of the schools that have been mentioned in this thread have ratios that are considerably higher than normal. As a frame of reference, I did the ratios for schools in Illinois (a really strong state) and Washington, so you can see how the number is your chart are really very good.

But in looking at the chart, you can see that many of these schools that your daughter may not be familiar with are really hard-punching in this category. I’ve bolded the names of some of the schools which others have repeatedly suggested.

School # of Undergrads # of Doctoral Recipients Ratio
Harvard 9,368 4,800 0.512
Wesleyan 3,069 1,534 0.500
Yale 6,645 3,282 0.494
St. John’s-Annapolis 462 228 0.494
Smith 2,523 1,231 0.488
Vassar 2,459 1,156 0.470
Brown 7,639 3,249 0.425
St. John’s -Santa Fe 364 135 0.371
Lawrence 1,426 490 0.344
Brandeis 3,687 1,220 0.331
Johns Hopkins 6,044 1,979 0.327
William & Mary 6,797 2,159 0.318
U. of Rochester 6,767 2,089 0.309
Northwestern 8,847 2,663 0.301
U. of Pennsylvania 11,250 3,120 0.277
Washington U. 8,132 2,104 0.259
Barnard 3,442 883 0.257
Connecticut College 1,948 494 0.254
Tufts 6,815 1,574 0.231
Vanderbilt 7,151 1,604 0.224
Emory 7,101 1,563 0.220
Goucher (MD) 1,000 210 0.210
U. of Richmond 3,145 646 0.205
U. of Virginia 17,444 3569 0.205
Trinity College 2,167 428 0.198
Clark 2,389 468 0.196
U. of Michigan 32,695 6,231 0.191
Skidmore 2,758 473 0.172
U. of North Carolina-Chapel Hill 20,029 3,338 0.167
Muhlenberg 1,945 297 0.153
Lehigh 5,624 839 0.149
U. of Wisconsin - Madison 36,306 5,396 0.149
Boston C. 9,982 1,434 0.144
Boston U. 18,459 2,615 0.142
Penn State 41,745 5,035 0.121
U. of Maryland 30,353 3,444 0.113
The College of New Jersey 7,039 757 0.108
Wheaton (MA) 1,667 177 0.106
Loyola Maryland 3,977 400 0.101
U. of Massachusetts 24,391 2,196 0.090
Moravian 1,904 170 0.089
U. of Pittsburgh 24,420 2,147 0.088
Millersville 5,814 506 0.087
American 7,917 653 0.082
College of Charleston 9,972 605 0.061
West Chester (PA ) 14,392 407 0.028
Emerson 4,155 98 0.024

EDIT: For reference, the average ratio among the 50 flagships is 0.0928 and the median is 0.0849, so that might give you a greater sense of how the schools on this list compare to others.

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