2 months here - my perspective

Colleges and Universities A-Z University of Notre Dame
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<p>"Great post! I'm at UVA but came very close to going to ND. Thanks for your honesty. I've been very happy at UVA, of course I have some of that new person anxiety that you describe at ND. I've been a little tormented about whether or not I should have gone to ND-I was thrilled to gain admittance, after I had been deferred in the December before. So your post was a nice one to read. The grass is always greener somewhere else!
If you do transfer, think about UVA! The girls are beautiful (despite my posting name--I'm a southern gal) and the weather is great!"</p>

<p>Actually it's funny you've said that because UVA was actually my number one choice but i was waitlisted, as of now it's also probably my number one transfer choice.. so yeah I'm definitely considering it.</p>

<p>"Going to an all-guys high school, the thought of having girls in class again alone excites me. I guess it just depends on where you're coming from. Single-sex dorms seem like no big deal to me. Again, that's because I go to a single-sex high school. "</p>

<p>That could be true. I went to a public school which had a ton of attractive girls so I'd say it definitely dependso n where you're coming from. And yeah, my perspective is definitely being colored by relationship problems. I will restate though that I have talked to other guys who have the same issues, although I'm not sure if they're seriously considering transferring. Anyways, having said that the majority of people are very happy with ND, or at least I think they are, so chances are you'll love it. </p>

<p>"I'm guessing the girls don't think much of you either big guy."</p>

<p>"no no, mombot, u must've missed the part about how beautiful his ex-girlfriend is! haha... with such good looks you'd think he would be able to get the few attractive girls here and even convince them to break parietals with his seductive ways so none of his cons would be an issue... haha"</p>

<p>Haha, I never said I was a Cassanova, all I said was that my ex-girlfriend is gorgeous... which she is, despite her other faults. And yes, I'm aware this entire thread makes me sound like a shallow ***, but I'm just telling it how it is from the perspective of a teenage guy. Anyway's I'm not about to have a conversation with a mom (bot) about my seductiveness, or rugged good looks.</p>

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<p>Things get better. And while the girls are not the hot blonds you might find at some southern schools, they are intelligent, honest, and moral. This makes them the most attractive of all. Honestly, they're wonderful people. Stop being so superficial.</p>

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<p>I do hope that things get better for you. Yes, I like UVA, but it still doesn't feel like home yet. I'm still figuring everything out: professors, classes, testing styles, people, friends. So, you are not alone in your feelings of adapting to a new environment.
I don't think you are superficial at all, I think you are honest and brave for posting what you have. It comes from the heart. I find the fact that you aren't quite settled and seem a little torn about various things --to be refreshingly honest.</p>

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<p>Can we stop bashing the OP because he said the girls are not very attractive? It's not like his opinion is revolutionary...</p>

<p>Yes there are some attractive girls at ND. There are what, 4,000 of them? His opinion is one held by many guys on campus.</p>

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<p>lol i was just kidding around--I know what you're saying, and I know you didn't mean to come across the way you did, but it's still fun to make fun of you! and you never know, this robot of a mom could be a MILF, in which case you would want to discuss your rugged good looks with her lol</p>

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<p>wow that post was dirty, couldn't help it--sorry haha...</p>

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<p>What's a MILF jvon? ;)</p>

<p>Seriously, my D. is at ND and she is keenly aware of the attitudes of the guys and it is really hurtful to her and to many of the other young women there. I honestly don't know what you guys expect--these girls are gorgeous and smart and funny and kind and athletic. So they don't fry their hair blond and starve themselves and teeter around on ridiculous heels. They don't emulate Lindsay and Paris trashy skank behavior. </p>

<p>The fact that guys feel so free to say the kinds of things kenone says and say them openly is really discouraging--you would hope that people get over that kind of thinking in junior high or high school at the latest.</p>

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<p>Kenone- excellent post, extremely helpful for those of us about to apply to Notre Dame, don't listen to all the political correct idiots on this site. (The post before me was particularly ridiculous) Whether people want to admit it or not, the attractiveness of an undergraduate population is a consideration (albeit small) when deciding where to attend college. Too often on this site, students are afraid to say what they really feel in fear of offending someone. I am glad you didn't fall into that trap.</p>

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<p>Mombot - how can a generalization be offensive to them? It just seems weird. If I see an attractive girl on campus, it's not as if I'm going think they are ugly because they go to ND. We think ND girls are less attractive as a whole because...they are. And no where does Lindsay and Paris play into this. Lindsay Lohan was hotter before she looked like a skank who had been around the block more than once.</p>

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<p>I agree with Mombot. But then again, I'm also a mom. :)
I think she made a reference to Lindsay and Paris because the OP seemed to be upset because the girls were not "hooking up" with him and he wasn't "scoring" as he would like to (without an emotional attachment); i.e., the girls are not being skanky a la Lindsay or Paris and he doesn't like that.</p>

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<p>"I agree with Mombot. But then again, I'm also a mom.
I think she made a reference to Lindsay and Paris because the OP seemed to be upset because the girls were not "hooking up" with him and he wasn't "scoring" as he would like to (without an emotional attachment); i.e., the girls are not being skanky a la Lindsay or Paris and he doesn't like that."</p>

<p>Hmmm well I'm of several opinions on how to respond to this post... I guess I could start by saying that I personally am not just looking for no emotional attachment. Sorry if I gave that impression, although I understand how you could think that because admittedly, we are generalizing female attractiveness here, a rather shallow thing to do. If I met a girl I really liked I'd much rather actually have a relationship with her than a couple random hook ups. That being said I'm also not adverse to the "random hook-up," you might hook up with someone but not actually want a relationship with them. In my first post I said "either score or go out with or whatever," to leave all consequences of having less attractive girls open to the imagination, whether one was looking for hook ups or a relationship. I should also clarify that when I use the term "hook-up" I don't necessarily mean sex. </p>

<p>Anyways, hooking up is a part of the current college culture, take it or leave it. Oh and for the record, Lindsay Lohan and Paris Hilton are gross, and using them as an example was a gross over exaggeration.</p>

<p>"What's a MILF jvon?
Seriously, my D. is at ND and she is keenly aware of the attitudes of the guys and it is really hurtful to her and to many of the other young women there. I honestly don't know what you guys expect--these girls are gorgeous and smart and funny and kind and athletic. So they don't fry their hair blond and starve themselves and teeter around on ridiculous heels. They don't emulate Lindsay and Paris trashy skank behavior.
The fact that guys feel so free to say the kinds of things kenone says and say them openly is really discouraging--you would hope that people get over that kind of thinking in junior high or high school at the latest."</p>

<p>Whether people want to admit it or not, attractiveness is obviously a factor guys and girls alike look for the opposite sex. Yes, personality and intelligence are very important, especially if what you're looking for is a relationship, but without that starting attraction, its hard for anything to develop at all. To be attractive a girl doesn't have to be blonde, or starving herself, or be skanky. I'm just talking about general attractiveness here... not the extreme portrayed by the media that you brought up. If your daughter is hurt by the attitudes of the guys... I really don't know how to respond to that one. I don't see how she would be hurt unless she's actually being specifically insulted. Guy's value attractiveness, girls value attractiveness, it's a fact of life.</p>

<p>"Mombot - how can a generalization be offensive to them? It just seems weird. If I see an attractive girl on campus, it's not as if I'm going think they are ugly because they go to ND. We think ND girls are less attractive as a whole because...they are. And no where does Lindsay and Paris play into this. Lindsay Lohan was hotter before she looked like a skank who had been around the block more than once."</p>

<p>So true, I was not at all offended by Shellzie's comment about the attractiveness of guys. It's not a statement against the individual.</p>

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<p>TheKid--when some asshat thinks it's OK to call my size 6 runs-30-miles-a-week daughter "fat" TO HER FACE on a quad, then it's not a generalization--it's hurtful and personal and NOBODY she knows on any other college campus has to put up with that kind of garbage.</p>

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<p>I think she needs to apologize to guys in general, and Sorin specifically.</p>

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<p>one person's comment does not reflect the entire university</p>

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<p>"TheKid--when some asshat thinks it's OK to call my size 6 runs-30-miles-a-week daughter "fat" TO HER FACE on a quad, then it's not a generalization--it's hurtful and personal and NOBODY she knows on any other college campus has to put up with that kind of garbage."</p>

<p>That is incredibly rude. That is also very different from a generalization as you yourself pointed out, so not entirely related to the topic at hand. I don't condone insults like that, but it's really not relevant to the discussion.</p>

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<p>i agree... i haven't met anyone that disrespects girls like that, but even so, it's not really relevant. Someone simply gave his opinion that he does not think girl's here are attractive...</p>

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<p>I think the two are connected. It seems to be an accepted cultural value at Notre Dame for the guys to sit in judgement of the girls. That type of culture leads idiots to think they are back in third grade and call girls names on the playground.</p>

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<p>Well I am just going to have to disagree. I certainly haven't taken the stereotype as a license to be an *******. I doubt that sort of behavior is specific to ND though.</p>

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<p>While it's true that guys do make generalizations about the attractiveness of the girls here, myself included, I think it's a rare occurrence for a guy purposely to insult a girl like that, especially by calling her fat. That's just rude and obviously hurtful. As for the acceptedness of guys sitting in on judgement ofthe girls, that happens everywhere. It's probably just more evident at ND in a negative sense because we're not at, say, Florida State for example. That doesn't mean it leads to guys going out and TELLING girls what their negative aspects are though.</p>

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<p>u want girls? then transfer to vandy university ASAP.. every girl is crazy hot and girls outnumber guys its just unbelievable.. im a first year vandy student btw and i got a lot of friends that were choosing between ND and Vandy, and they said they chose the latter because of the boring town ND is in and the ugly girls there</p>