<p>What percentage of players who commit (div 3 NESCAC) would you guess commit but dont' get in ED? Is it a very small percentage? I guess its my nerves getting the best of me.</p>
<p>Second do coaches always know before the student finds out that they definitely got in? In to other words is it protocol for an admissions office to notify the coaches to confirm their recruits got in and if so do most coaches in some subtle way communicate this to their athlete or is that more of a Div 1 thing?</p>
<p>I really wish I could remember where I read this, but I’ve heard the number is somewhere around 80% of committed athletes getting in ED, with the other 20% who don’t get in consisting of those who for one reason or another didn’t have 1st quarter grades that came in as expected or who in the end did not have the level of coach support they thought they did. </p>
<p>There is one story on this forum I remember about a senior who had an unexpected D on his transcript and was told not to apply ED under any circumstances, but get the grade up and wait until ED2, did not take the advice and was rejected outright in ED. We personally now know another athlete who was also just rejected ED from a nescac because it turned out he did not have a slot, only coach support, and it was not enough together with his transcript, which made the school a bit of a reach. When my kid asked him if he had a “slot,” my kid said he didn’t even seem to understand the question. Not a good sign. Anyway, he is now preparing for the ED2 round at another school where he is probably a better fit.</p>
<p>There’s also a much older story somewhere on these forums where a player with really good stats never got the coach support he was looking for in admissions because, frankly, his numbers were so good the coaches I guess kept hoping he’d get in on his own and he would be a freebie without the coach spending any of his admissions money out of pocket. That player was strung along all the way through RD before being rejected. (Fortunately, he was admitted to another superior school in the end.)</p>
<p>As for coaches knowing about admissions decisions ahead of the player, I’ve heard both sides. I have heard about players hearing from coaches indirectly and discreetly well prior to admissions notifications (“I hear everything looks good”). In our case, though, the coach texted our son the morning after admissions decisions to ask if he’d heard about his ED result yet. I don’t know whether that meant the coach knew or not, but he definitely did not hear a peep prior to the moment of decisions coming from admissions.</p>
<p>Agreed that kids who apply with coach’s support can get deferred or rejected. There are just so many variables that come into play.</p>
<p>I don’t think coaches know the official outcome of admissions before the applicant. I think you are referring to are the results of the preread, which may be informally conveyed to an applicant. </p>
<p>As far as the NESCACs go, here is the written policy: “All admissions decisions are rendered and delivered in writing by the admissions office only. Any communication regarding the status of admissions decisions conveyed by non-admissions personnel should be considered preliminary, unofficial, and subject to change.”</p>
<p>It’s been my pleasure to be in touch with 7 people about their recent NESCAC recruiting experience. All applied ED. All have told me the same story…coach requested them to call or text when they heard the results because the coach did not know. The 80% committed to ED acceptance number is a little low IMHO. I’d put it in the 90% range. BTW…all 7 are in.</p>
<p>My son’s Ivy ED experience was slightly different. The coach had called son in mid-November to wish son’s family a Happy Thanksgiving and asked him what size fitted hat and cleats he wore…hint hint. Son logged into portal in mid-Dec to get ED acceptance letter. Son called coach to tell him he was accepted. Coach told son he’s known since mid-November but couldn’t say anything about it.</p>
<p>Fenway, I think you are probably right. I don’t recall where I got the 80% figure but I remember it well because I didn’t like that number at all! 1 in 5 committed athletes being rejected is nothing to take lightly. 1 in 10 sounds more reasonable, and even predictable. It is common for seniors to get an unexpected grade prior to early admission decisions and there are lots of threads all over CC posted by students sweating them out, wondering if it will be held against them.</p>
<p>I have, though, read at least one other thread on CC on a nescac college where a student posted that he received the good word from the coach a few days prior to actual decisions when he had the opportunity to call the coach for a particular reason. It may not be policy, but I’m sure it occurs here and there. Not in our case, though.</p>
<p>Might there be a difference between a coach saying “call me when you get the letter” and “call me when you find out whether you got accepted.” The first might be a coach that doesn’t want to violate a school policy. They know, but they can’t let on that they know. And the second…they don’t know for certain the admissions status. Does that make sense?</p>
<p>I have a friend who’s child plans on attending a Nescac school. The student is applying regular decision. The family seems pretty confident. Is this reasonable?</p>
<p>Thanks for responding JoBenny. Even if the student’s application is in, could a likely letter be sent already? My child received his likely letter in February (a few years ago) on a regular decision app. I am in your camp, just because the coach wants you, it doesn’t mean you’re accepted.</p>
<p>For NESCAC, and D3 in general I think, it really depends on the school. The schools my son went back and forth with didn’t do “likely letters”…it was all verbal and email correspondence.</p>
<p>My son was accepted into 2 Nescac schools (he did not attend either), but he never received a likely letter from them. Maybe he was not that highly ranked of an athlete? There were verbal messages from the coach stating, “If you are accepted, will you come?” My son also had that question from an ivy school and he did not get in. For the top LAC that he chose, he received an acceptance letter from admissions in February instead of having to wait until the end of March. Is that considered to be a likely letter? Back to my friend, I am wary of an acceptance until it is in hand.</p>
<p>Right. No likely letters in the NESCAC. Just an offer from a coach, a commitment, a handshake and a lot of crossed fingers. Most of the time it works out when your support level from the coach is high, but there are no guarantees. There was yet another athlete at my son’s school rejected ED today from a nescac school that liked him, but the support level wasn’t as high as it needed to be. Fortunately, he already has an acceptance from another school he likes in D2, and word is he’s going to happily play for them instead.</p>
<p>When a school sends you an acceptance from admission ahead of the usual notification date, it’s called an early write. It’s meant to prevent a student from making an impulse decision to go to another school which might have an earlier decision release date. If you get an early write, the school wants you to know they want you, and, like a girl at the school dance, they are trying to wink at you and get your attention.</p>
<p>I would recommend having this conversation with the coach. “Can you get a pre-read from admissions for my application if I choose to apply early decision? Will you support my application with a slot if I apply early decision? What percentage of students with this type of support and my credentials have been accepted for admission to the school?” At the NESCAC my son will be attending the answers were: yes, yes, 100%. If the coach has a track record at the school for a long period of time, his word should be pretty good.</p>
<p>I second the conversation suggested. There is so much riding on it. In our case when my son broke his hand in September and was out for much of the season, a lot of support that we felt sure about became a lot more quiet, with some schools even encouraging overnights as late as December. When this happened, we knew he was no longer one of their prime ED recruits and that they were looking at him as a backup. We changed tactics and instead successfully went with a school that had been lower on his list but which was very, very firm about their interest. Yes, you do have to ask them to be as clear as possible!</p>
<p>Son has been recruited for football by the NESCACs and others. His top NESCAC waited until mid- November to tell him that he was not high up enough on their board (his application was filed in mid-October, and the coach told him he could convert it to ED later). Lesson for all athletic recruits: when the coach tells you “you are in the mix”, that means nothing.</p>
<p>Fortunately, son also had a pending application in with a 2nd NESCAC (his new top choice). Unfortunately, when he called the second school to switch over the ED from RD, it was too late for the EDI consideration; he had to go with EDII. He now has to wait until early February for the admission decision. Coach has assured him he has a great shot - barring a criminal arrest or all Ds on his report card - and has used the magic word “slot”, but how much stock can we put in that? Coach is has been at the school for a while, and says he knows if there will be any issues, but he can’t make any guarantees. </p>
<p>While we are confident it will work out, we still have to hedge our bets with other schools, and to continue the recruiting process. At least in December, football coaches can visit high schools again. It makes for a very frustrating experience.</p>
<p>NESCACgrad, hang in there. I firmly believe from what you say that you are on the right trajectory towards getting this resolved ED2. A lot sifts out after ED1 which is now done. If the coach still has slots and wants your kid, it should work out. I don’t think any NESCAC fills all their slots ED1. For every school that’s looking at 3 candidates for every “slot” there are kids looking at three or more schools for every one they choose. </p>
<p>ED2 is just as valid as ED1, it’s just round two of the same game. I like what your coach had to say, even including the “no guarantees” - because that’s just true and he has to say that. Believe him when he says if there are any issues you will hear about them, just like you did from the first coach. “Barring D’s or a criminal arrest” - that’s good language from a coach IMHO. </p>
<p>I’m betting all will be OK with you guys, but no, waiting another 6 weeks will not be fun. It will, however, make the resolution all the sweeter when it happens. Good luck.</p>
<p>I agree with ChicagoMama, I think your guy is in really good shape. Translating “coach-speak” was probably the most painful part of the process for us. How many times I just wanted to say “Alright already…just tell me yay or nay???” The process at NESCAC schools seems esp trying because the coaches are waiting for the Ivy league kids to shake out. Just try to be patient…it’ll be worth it when you’re sitting at those football games next fall!</p>
<p>My S is experiencing virtually same, though he still has until Jan. 1 to decide on which of the three NESCAC offers of supported applications ED II, to follow up on. None of these three are his #1 NESCAC choice. One is playing the kind of uber hardball that I find distasteful when dealing with a teenager who is making perhaps the most important decision of his life to date and making it for the first time. His first choice Head Coach contacted him the weekend of ED II to say that he couldn’t offer him a slot for that time but that he was “still in the running” and he was waiting to see how admissions developed for a “few players in his academic band” (which is the B band) at Ivies. Subsequent to that he had an alum interview that went quite well and, in this instance, has some significant heft to it. That is conjecture, of course, however informed I may consider it to be. He has yet to visit his second choice which has invited him for an OV in early Jan and told him their pre-read was favorable. I’d love to compare notes with you in a PM but I don’t have enough posts as yet to qualify. ChicagoMama and JoBenny, I’d also welcome any insights.</p>
<p>How long is the “shake out” at the Ivies? I see D1 has a “dead period” until Jan. 4. Does that apply to Ivies which are D1 and thus should there be movement which will (I pray) provide clarity? Of course, the EDII application deadline is Jan.1. :-/</p>