2006 US News Rankings - FSU vs UFL vs UMiami vs Other Florida Schools

<p>The latest rankings of PhD programs per US News and World Report.</p>

<p>I list PhD programs and maybe other graduate programs because this is where the real talent and worth is at a university. The professors in such programs are generally senior, tenured faculty and have a lot to say and do concerning the academic programs and funding at the school. Further, grad students working under this senior staff will frequently be the instructors (or Teaching Assistants) for certain undergraduate classes. These grad students generally get their marching orders from the senior staff. To be a grad student, they have to have at least a BS degree in the field of study at hand and pass the GRE or GMAT exam with a fairly high score. They are no slouches in the brains or academic area, to say the least. </p>

<p>Now, about the ratings - for the typical layman (or undergraduate) there is no perceptible difference between a Physics program, for example, rated 5 in the US compared to one rated 105. The layman would not be able to explain why one program is better than the other and would generally begin to comprehend the differences only as a senior majoring in Physics. </p>

<p>This is one reason why ratings services are faulty - especially when consumed by the general public. To the layman, a Physics program Not Rated (NR) is so far above their (layman) level of comprehension it's not worth discussing or comparing. Any instructor with a BS in Physics, much less a PhD, from a major state university is one highly talented and skilled person. A rating of NR does not, therefore, mean the school is terrible in that area - at all. A lot goes into ratings, and a good bit is subjective or political in nature.</p>

<p>The HALO Effect - a school can have a Halo Effect (like an angel's halo) where because the school is liked for a certain reason(s) which influences the political part of ratings in a positive direction, even when the program does not deserve the positive rating. A school can also have an Inverse Halo Effect, where the program(s) get rated down, because of a negative attitude towards the school, which is generally undeserved and political in nature. In short, academia can be very rough and unfair.</p>

<p>This does not mean, however, that an undergraduate will receive a poor education, by comparison with the other school. Much, probably most, depends on individual work effort and attitude.</p>

<p>Key: Lower is better; NR = not rated. All scores national ratings.</p>

<p>2006 US News Ratings:</p>

<p>Sciences
Physics: FSU 45; UFL 42; UM NR
Physics - Nuclear: FSU 13; UFL NR; UM NR
Chemistry: FSU 46; UFL 35; UM NR
Chemistry - Analytical: FSU 14; UFL 13; UM NR
Chemistry - Theoretical: FSU NR; UFL 17; UM NR
Biological Sciences: FSU 92; UFL 60; UM 99
Mathematics: FSU 68; UFL 56; UM 99
Earth Sciences: FSU 72; UFL 64; UM 46</p>

<p>Law School:
FSU 53; UFL 41; UM 65
Law - Environmental: FSU 14; UFL 13 (HALO) UM NR
Law - Tax: FSU NR; UFL 2; UM 6
Law - International: FSU NR; UFL NR; UM 19</p>

<p>Library Science and Information Studies:
FSU 1; UFL NR; UM NR
L+IS - Children-Youth: FSU 1; UFL NR; UM NR
L+IS - School Media: FSU 5; UFL NR; UM NR
L+IS - Information Systems: FSU 10; UFL NR; UM NR</p>

<p>Medicine:
FSU NR; UFL 52; UM NR
Medicine - Primary: FSU NR; UFL 52; UM NR
Medicine - Research: FSU NR; UFL 50; UM 56
Medicine - Geriatrics: FSU NR; UFL 23; UM 19
Medicine - AIDS: FSU NR; UFL NR; UM 11</p>

<p>Education:
FSU 53; UFL 35; UM 66; USF 60
Education - Special: FSU NR; UFL 9; UM NR; USF NR
Education - Higher Ed Admin: FSU 16; UFL NR; UM NR; USF NR
Education - Elementary: FSU NR; UFL 12; UM NR; USF NR
Education - Curriculum/Intsruct: FSU NR; UFL 22; UM NR; USF NR</p>

<p>parent2noles, I am enjoying all your posts about FSU. Is the beach to far for FSU students to hang out? Are the beaches an hour away?</p>

<p>You can get to a beach on the gulf in less than an hour. Some real good restaurants, which can be quite rustic, can also be found (e.g. smoked mullet on a paper plate, and cold beer (of course, got to be 21)). The Reservation is much closer, as are beautiful fresh water springs like Wakulla.</p>

<p>The best beaches, with white sand and large dunes, are probably St. George Island and vicinity. That's less than two hours away, as I recall.</p>

<p>NICE TRY HERE ARE THE COMPLETE RANKINGS</p>

<p>Business:
FSU NR; UF 41; UM NR
Business – Accounting: FSU NR; UF 14; UM NR
Business – Finance: FSU NR; UF 24; UM NR
Business – Marketing: FSU NR; UF 14; UM NR</p>

<p>Law School:
FSU 53; UF 41; UM 65
Law - Environmental: FSU 14; UF 12 UM NR
Law - Tax: FSU NR; UF 2; UM 5
Law - International: FSU NR; UF NR; UM 19</p>

<p>Medicine:
FSU NR; UF 50; UM NR
Medicine - Primary: FSU NR; UF 52; UM NR
Medicine - Research: FSU NR; UF 50; UM 56
Medicine - Geriatrics: FSU NR; UF 23; UM 17
Medicine - AIDS: FSU NR; UF NR; UM 11</p>

<p>Engineering:
FSU NR; UF 26; UM NR
Engineering – Aerospace: FSU NR; UF 29; UM NR
Engineering – Chemical: FSU NR; UF 21; UM NR
Engineering – Civil: FSU NR; UF 24; UM NR
Engineering – Computer: FSU NR; UF 39; UM NR
Engineering – Environmental: FSU NR; UF 28; UM NR
Engineering – Industrial: FSU NR; UF 16; UM NR
Engineering – Materials: FSU NR; UF 6; UM NR
Engineering – Mechanical: FSU NR; UF 31; UM NR
Engineering – Nuclear: FSU NR; UF 9; UM NR</p>

<p>Education:
FSU 53; UF 35; UM 66
Education – Counseling: FSU NR; UF 2; UM NR
Education - Special: FSU NR; UF 9; UM NR
Education - Higher Ed Admin: FSU 16; UF NR; UM NR
Education - Elementary: FSU NR; UF 12; UM NR
Education - Curriculum/Intsruct: FSU NR; UF 22; UM NR</p>

<p>Sciences
Physics: FSU 45; UF 35; UM NR
Computer Science: FSU NR; UF 47; UM NR
Chemistry: FSU 45; UF 34; UM NR
Biological Sciences: FSU 90; UF 56; UM 90
Mathematics: FSU 67; UF 56; UM 94
Earth Sciences: FSU 70; UF 60; UM 43</p>

<p>Library Science
FSU 11; UF NR; UM NR</p>

<p>Social Sciences
Criminology: FSU 11; UF 11; UM NR
Economics: FSU NR; UF 44; UM NR
English: FSU 79; UF 46; UM 83
History: FSU NR; UF 46; UM 87
Political Science: FSU 37; UF 48; UM NR
Psychology: FSU 99; UF 66; UM 99
Sociology: FSU 42; UF 46; UM NR</p>

<p>Health
Audiology: FSU NR; UF 8; UM NR
Clinical Psychology: FSU 44; UF 20; UM 26
Community Health: FSU NR; UF NR; UM 24
Health Admin: FSU NR; UF 29; UM NR
Nursing: FSU 115; UF 39; UM 115
Occupational Therapy: FSU NR; UF 15; UM NR
Pharmacy: FSU NR; UF 11; UM NR
Physical Therapy: FSU NR; UF 25; UM 10
Physician Assistant: FSU NR; UF 17; UM NR
Rehab Counseling: FSU 20; UF 9; UM NR
Social Work: FSU 28; UF NR; UM NR
Speech Pathology: FSU 32; UF 17; UM NR
Veterinary Medicine: FSU NR; UF 9; UM NR</p>

<p>Public Affairs
FSU 26; UF NR; UM NR</p>

<p>Fine Arts
FSU 61; UF 74; UM 129</p>

<p>Thanks. You saved me a lot of typing.</p>

<p>But all those aren't from 2006. They don't appear to all be PhD, either...</p>

<p>So it's a mix.</p>

<p>No...you must be accurate. Can't just put up a mish-mash of stuff.</p>

<p>Oops. FSU doesn't have a Pharmacy School.</p>

<p>Ditto the Vet School that's only UF.</p>

<p>UF's Crim # 11 is probably halo.</p>

<p>Library Science is truncated...strange, FSU received lots of high marks there. Didn't you see them?</p>

<p>Pretty sure FSU does not have Physical Therapy...that's UF.</p>

<p>Creative Writing?</p>

<p>It was the newest possible rankings that are currenlty available. With the exception of the Public Affairs & Fine Arts rankings all of the rest are not older than 3 years old.</p>

<p>UF does not offer these programs:</p>

<ul>
<li>Public Affairs</li>
<li>Social Work</li>
<li>Library Science</li>
</ul>

<p>Out of over the 75 (+) rankings - FSU is only ranked higher in Political Science, Sociology, and Fine Arts. Whereas virtually every single program that UF offers is better than the one offered by FSU.</p>

<p>Also Creative Writing isn't ranked by US News.</p>

<p>That's painting with a very broad brush. Further, many of the differences, per the ratings - which are clearly flawed as such ratings are, are minimal, as I've explained above.</p>

<p>Note also that may of the best programs are not listed...meteorology, for example.</p>

<p>Be that as it may, such analysis is only beneficial if it's clear, with defined periods (e.g. 2006) so that progress may be monitored from period to period, and with well-defined boundaries (e.g. PhD). Further, you must not confuse apples and oranges and call them same. If you don't do this work, any effort comes across as noise. </p>

<p>To pull together a mish-mash of confused ratings in this manner shows only that you have a burning desire to establish some kind of superiority, or are trying to maintain your perception of what you think is already there.</p>

<p>Try to be happy.</p>

<p>I pulled every single quote off of the US News graduate school rankings, the majority of them evaluate the entire program (hense Masters & Doctorates together). Honestly who are you to deem US News is not credible?</p>

<p>Honestly take off your Garnet & Gold goggels and pull your head out of the sand.</p>

<p>We've been down this road before. I suggest we agree to disagree.</p>

<p>To facilitate this, the CC has kindly provided a fine piece of cyberspace dedicated entirely to fans of the University of Florida.</p>

<p>Please post there to your heart's content. Last time I checked, this was the Florida State board.</p>

<p>Let me check..just to be sure. Yep. This is the FSU section of the CC.</p>

<p>Hey joejim mis,
I think you are completely out of line with your comments. You obviously have a personal issue with FSU, and I am very sorry about that. I'm the current employer of some UF grads and they seem to be fine workers. I have also hired FSU, UCF, and UM grads. They are all just as good if not better than the UF grads. </p>

<p>You, my young friend, need to understand that UF is a PUBLIC university just like the rest of the state funded colleges. UF is not part of the Ivy League and it will never be, I hate to break to you. </p>

<p>I think it is you sir that needs to pull you're head out of the sand.</p>