2009 Best Law Schools

<p>The top 50 schools in the much-leaked (and, as of today, much discussed and published) US News rankings of U.S. law schools for 2009 is as follows:</p>

<li> Yale</li>
<li> Harvard (tie)
Stanford</li>
<li> Columbia</li>
<li> NYU</li>
<li> Berkeley</li>
<li> Chicago (tie)
Penn</li>
<li> Northwestern (tie)
Michigan
Virginia</li>
<li> Cornell (tie)
Duke</li>
<li> Georgetown</li>
<li> Vanderbilt</li>
<li> UCLA (tie)
Texas</li>
<li> USC</li>
<li> WashU</li>
<li> GW</li>
<li> BU</li>
<li> Emory (tie)
Minnesota - Twin Cities
Notre Dame</li>
<li> Washington and Lee</li>
<li> BC</li>
<li> Fordham (tie)
UIUC
Iowa</li>
<li> William and Mary (tie)
U of Washington</li>
<li> Ohio State (tie)
Alabama
Colorado-Boulder
Georgia</li>
<li> Indiana - Bloomington (tie)
Wisconsin - Madison</li>
<li> George Mason (tie)
Arizona
Hastings (UCalifornia)
UNC</li>
<li> Maryland (tie)
Wake Forest</li>
<li> Tulane (tie)
California - Davis</li>
<li> American (tie)
BYU
SMU
UConn
Florida</li>
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<p>Alas, number two again. Still loving it. Thanks Sally. You are always on top
of the real news.</p>

<p>thanks Sally for the info. Interesting – but I wonder if it changes anyones mind. (I certainly hope not). I just can’t image that a kid who got accepted to both Berkley and U Chicago would decide to go Berkley as it moved up in the ranks (at least for this year).</p>

<p>bottom line - the T-3’s are still the same T-3’s and the T -14 are still the same T-14’s. And schools that have been fairly generous with merit scholarship $ are in the top 20 (GW and WUSTL)</p>

<p>Though I don’t know what Tulane’s rank was pre-Katrina, I’m glad it still remains a Top 50 school as it shows lots of law students still find New Orleans a desireable place to go to school.</p>

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<p>On another discussion about law schools site, there’s a rather entertaining thread where one student is basically doing just that. The title of the thread, from a student who had all-but-chosen Chicago, is “Bah, humbug.”</p>

<p>Have any of you seen the new Vault ranking? It’s based solely on where hiring partners say they get their best associates. Yale came in #10–not so surprising, since a lot of Yalies don’t go into “biglaw.” Stanford gave in first. The U of Indiana was surprisingly high and UPenn surprisingly low. </p>

<p>I’m not vouching for the survey’s validity…just mentioning it.</p>

<p>bdm- is the discussion about Wally?? He is sort of an interesting character. He does seem to be the type that might bolt to Boalt because it is “ranked” higher than U of Chicago.<br>
–it takes all kinds.</p>

<p>and btw- did you make your decision??? I think you have some wonderful choices (if you are the guy, I think you are on the other site).</p>

<p>generally speaking- any top 5 school that offered my kid the big bucks is where I’d encourage my kid to go to school. But that is just my opinion.
Good luck!!</p>

<p>OOPS! Through a PM, I’ve been advised I should have said Indiana U rather than U of Indiana. Sorry! No offense intended.</p>

<p>For anyone who is interested, the following are the law schools that round out the top 100 on the new list:</p>

<ol>
<li> Utah</li>
<li> ASU (tie)
Cincinnati
Tennessee - Knoxville</li>
<li> Baylor (tie)
FSU
Houston
Yeshiva (Cardozo)</li>
<li> Pepperdine (tie)
Temple
Kentucky
Missouri</li>
<li> Brooklyn (tie)
Case Western
Loyola Marymount</li>
<li> Illinois Institute of Technology (tie)
Seton Hall</li>
<li> Indiana University - Indianapolis (tie)
New Mexico
Oklahoma
Richmond
Villanova</li>
<li> Lewis and Clark (tie)
Kansas
Nebraska
Pitt</li>
<li> Georgia State (tie)
Penn State
Rutgers - Newark
Rutgers - Camden
Santa Clara</li>
<li> Loyola University Chicago (tie)
Seattle University
Hawaii
U of Miami
Oregon
University of San Diego</li>
<li> Catholic U (tie)
DePaul
LSU
Northeastern
St. John’s (NY)
U of Denver
UNLV</li>
<li> Marquette (tie)
St. Louis U
U of South Carolina
U of the Pacific</li>
<li> Hofstra</li>
<li> Mercer (tie)
Stetson
Syracuse
SUNY Buffalo
U of Louisville</li>
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<p>Will be visiting four schools in the next week and a half and choosing between them. At this point, I think I’m unlikely to follow the money – but we’ll see.</p>

<p>Not that I really want to rat out my alma mater, but Boalt’s jump in the rankings (with an overall score of 81, beating the 80 points awarded to Penn and Chicago) may be related to its eyebrow-raising claim that 99% of its graduates are employed at graduation.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.abovethelaw.com/images/entries/US%20News%20World%20Report%202009%20law%20school%20rankings%20ratings%20Above%20the%20Law%20blog.pdf[/url]”>http://www.abovethelaw.com/images/entries/US%20News%20World%20Report%202009%20law%20school%20rankings%20ratings%20Above%20the%20Law%20blog.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>bdm- my best wishes to you. I’m sure the next few weeks will be an extremely exciting time for you.
-there are no bad choices. So have fun with your trip and good luck.</p>

<p>and don’t buy the hype about NY’rs. We really are very nice.</p>

<p>Sally- Thanks for the rest of the list.</p>

<p>^Greybeard,</p>

<p>I wonder if Boalt’s jump is a result of an error. % graduates employed at graduation is <em>exactly</em> the same as % graduates employed 3(?) months after graduation. That seems rather unlikely.</p>

<p>Sam,</p>

<p>It does seem unlikely. That’s why my eyebrows were raised.</p>

<p>Alot of people say, law school is only worth the investment if you go to a “top school” or graduate at the top of your class in a lower ranked school. I was wondering what a top school is considered to be. Sure, people like to say T14 as the elite level, but I’m sure that many people in schools ranked 15-25 or 30 get some great jobs. I know a silly ranking isn’t the best way to quantify what school is better than another, but is something in the 20-30 range on this list still considered to be a “top school”?</p>

<p>If your goal is to get top money upon graduation, you either need to graduate from the “top” schools - as in T10-14 or graduate in the “top” of the class from others - preferably on law review also. How far you can go down the list will then depend on where you want to practice. If you want “biglaw” in Baltimore/DC, then top of the class Univ of Maryland will do it. If you want “biglaw” NY, Fordham is fine. Some things are quirky - for example, I have not found Vanderbilt to fare as well in DC as some schools ranked below it - maybe a southern bias - who knows.</p>

<p>looks like Columbia topped NYU for 09</p>

<p>The abovethelaw blog has some very interesting memoranda that have been sent by law schools that have dropped in the US News rankings to their student bodies. I’ll attach a selection below.</p>

<p>University of Iowa:</p>

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<p>SUNY Buffalo Law School:</p>

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<p>U of Minnesota Law School:</p>

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<p>UNC-Chapel Hill Law School:</p>

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<p>This makes me sad. A two-rank drop is worth all this? Of course, compared to some other schools’ efforts (“The Apollo Project,”) this is relatively mild.</p>

<p>There is something really pathetic about those letters.</p>