<p>Can you guys tell I’m spending tonight working on med school stuff? LOL!</p>
<p>An interesting update. I do not know what to make of this. Any help?</p>
<p>2010-2011 MSAR info for Loyola reports 1423 Illinois applicants and 8700 OOS applicants. The IL applicants received 168 interviews and ended up with 65 matriculants. The OOS kids received 400 interviews and ended up with 80 matriculants. </p>
<p>However, Loyola’s website paints a very different story, albeit with 2009 data (my MSAR uses 2008). </p>
<p>2009 Application Figures:
* AMCAS Applications Received - 10,173
* Completed Applications - 5,493
* Applicants Interviewed - 515
* Acceptances Offered - 362 [my addition: for what ended up as <150 matriculants]</p>
<p>While not that great, 362/5493 is a MUCH different story (7% vs <1%) than 150/10,000. Just thought I’d point it out and get some feedback here too.</p>
<p>I will voice a dissenting opinion here, I think if your EC’s and LORs are really that good, you will have a strong shot at getting an interview at many top schools. Your MCAT score is good, and although that does not match the same MCAT scores as top schools, your strong GPA will help mitigate it. I think you have a shot at Mayo, their admissions are weird and they seem to favor candidates who have a lot of work experience. I will repeat: I got rejected pre-LOR request with a 3.9+ gpa and a 37 MCAT. Obviously, that school cares more than just numbers.</p>
<p>I remembered that the MSAR didn’t do acceptances, but I was hoping they’d added it since my 2005 edition.</p>
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<p>I do think you need US News. I know this isn’t the friendliest algorithm, but be very reluctant to apply to any school:</p>
<p>–If the admissions percentage is below 4% (use USN)
–If there is a large split between IS and OOS interview percentages (MSAR)
–If your MCAT score is more than 3 points away from their matriculants (USN)</p>
<p>bdm,
what did you mean by "you’re on track for Michigan’s auto-invite. "
D. said that all her schools are sending secondaries to everybody. She got them all in hours after being verified, except for NW (did not get this one at all, maybe she will not).</p>
<p>Thanks for the thoughts Mike. To you and curm, my 2010-2011 does indeed have information about matriculants, and I belive it was one of the “new” features (guess it’s like, the first year they’re doing it, haha). All the information is in a box under the table that gives info about MCAT and GPA. It lists “Applicants” “Interviews” and “Matriculants” for both state residents and residents of other states. It further breaks down “Matriculants” to sex (I believe) and ethnicity (I’m sure). You can imagine how depressing the numbers look when you use “Matriculants” and “Applicants” because applicants refers to anyone who submitted a “verified application” (not necessarily, I believe, a secondary; see Loyola, above, as an example). </p>
<p>What’s the best way to calculate admissions percentages? I’m usually just doing acceptances/applicants, which seems like the right way to go. Is it reasonable to calculate acceptances/people who submit secondaries (assuming this info is available), like the revised calculation with Loyola, or should I stick with acceptances/applicants?</p>
<p>You guys are rocking my world with all this help, it’s by far some of the best I’ve received, and I hope someday I can return the favor!</p>
<p>Haha, good luck to you LA! I’m usually pretty hesitant to put my stats/details out there, but I figure…it helps me, it might help someone else, so typing a few numbers in a box really isn’t that big of a deal. Wish you all the best! It’s a long ride but it’s also lots of fun. Right now, via this thread, you probably see a lot of the stress/unknowns/what ifs?/etc of this process. Keep in mind that there’s a lot more to it than what you see here(I have to remind myself of that…pretty regularly )!</p>
<p>kristin, does the new MSAR give MCAT for accepted or matriculated? (If they’ve changed to matriculated, good for them!) At some schools (IMO those below the top that want to improve their stats), those numbers can vary by as much as 3 points. Huge.</p>
<p>RE:
SLU/Creighton/Loyola- DD with a 29 applied to these 3, did secondaries and did not hear anything more until the late spring denial.</p>
<p>DH talked DD into adding a couple of mega reaches for that “what if” thought- Mayo, UCSF…I thought it was a waste of time & money at the time and I was proven correct. Don’t bother with any HYS type schools unless there is a very specific and very accurate reason why YOU might be their PERFECT fit.</p>
<p>Haven’t gotten around to my USN number crunching yet, but here’s my plan:</p>
<p>Apply bluedevilmike’s “algorithm” (above) to schools that have MCAT scores and GPAs in my ranges (30 & 3.8+). Should I look for MCAT/GPA that MSAR uses (which I’m still a little confused as to what that represents–total acceptances, perhaps?) or should I use MCAT/GPA of matriculants (available with USN)?</p>
<p>Also, I was planning to take number of acceptances and divide by number of secondaries submitted (assuming this number is available) to get a percentage of acceptances. Would this be the most accurate approach?</p>
<p>Apologies if these seem like pretty straightforward questions, but I really think you guys are onto something with all this number crunching, and I’d rather not have to re-do calculations just because I made some dumb mistake. For example, last night I was pretty bummed out after realizing most schools are <2% acceptances, only to realize that I was probably erroneously calculating said percentages because I was using matriculants divided by all applicants (the only numbers I have available from MSAR). Fingers crossed that pathetically low number is not true!</p>
<p>Thanks for the tip, somemom. I’ll keep it in mind while I’m putting together a list.</p>
<p>Use USNews MCAT. ( The MCAT of students actually attending. A school might want that 36+ MCAT kid, but they don’t always get them and that skews the accepted stats upward from matriculant stats. Plus lots of schools are counting the same 36+ MCAT kid in their accepted numbers but the kid can only matriculate at 1 school. ;)) </p>
<p>You can ignore GPA. Yours is in range everywhere.;)</p>
<p>somemom, thanks for sharing your anecdote, but in something where the applicant is evaluated as a whole such as med school applications there are too many variables to account for. What sort of ECs did your daughter have?</p>
<p>MiamiDAP, re:“Michigan’s auto-invite.” It is rumored that Michigan may give out some (but not all) interview invites based on 3 factors only: 1) mcat cutoff. 2) gpa cutoff. 3) from a “well-known” school (maybe flagship state schools which are comparable to michigan itself, as well as some top privates). The 3rd one is ambiguious/subjective, but the first two are very objective.</p>
<p>I learned from some michigan (undergraduate) alumnus that michigan is called a “public ivy.” I know a kid from DS’s school got an invite with 3.93(?)/37, and got in eventually. He finished MS and BS in 4 undergraduate years and had been a super-dedicated premed for 3 years. (He went to a school in NYC in the end.)</p>
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