<p>I don’t think he did, pulsar stated:
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<p>Correct me if I’m wrong.
I totally agree with you about the smaller school thing, why do you think I’m going to Groton :p. I think it’s all personal prefrence though, I definitely see the appeal of a big school!</p>
<p>It’s a lot harder for one large school to send a lot of kids to Harvard compared to a smaller school sending fewer kids (same percentage). Stuyvesant sends 60 or so kids to ivy every year where as HADES schools each send less total number.</p>
<p>Ah I see, thanks for clarifying.</p>
<p>that is so false bro…
what stuy has is actual quite bizarre the kids at the top of the class go onto great schools but the kids at the bottom of the class go to rather “poor” schools in comparison to where the kids at the bottom of the HADES go. also many HADES grads choose to go to top 15 LACs instead as the school is a better “fit” for their professional aspirations</p>
<p>There are more Nobel Laureates from Stuy and Bronx Science than from all HADES combined.</p>
<p>i know im from NYC i got into both Stuy and BX science i had a 660 but BX science was my first choice so i was accepted there and a Ivy prep league school after visiting both schools i liked the ivy prep league school a lot better i chose it based upon fit not ranking</p>
<p>What aspects/criteria of prep school did you like compared to Bronx Sci? This will help me choose a school that is a good fit for me.</p>
<p>*It’s a lot harder for one large school to send a lot of kids to Harvard compared to a smaller school sending fewer kids (same percentage). Stuyvesant sends 60 or so kids to ivy every year where as HADES schools each send less total number. *</p>
<p>I certainly agree with your first point and that’s why I believe some of the best stats seem to be posted by smaller schools.</p>
<p>But what’s your source for the 2nd stat? Only 60 out of a graduating class of 800 or so go to Ivy League schools from Stuyvesant? Although that may be true, it feels a bit low to me, particularly since I’d expect a fairly large number to be matriculating at Cornell (in-state and there’s a state part to the school).</p>
<p>I have read this info in some online articles about a year ago in NYTimes or USNews. The total number of ivey or HYP matriculation of Stuy is more than any other school, public or private. Local school affiliations are hard to separate as more L’ville grads go to Princeton than to Harvard; more Andover kids go to Harvard than Princeton etc.</p>
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<p>Yeah the info above is correct, they send “only” less than 10% to top 8 colleges. That’s surprisingly low to me (compare with top boarding schools). I guess that they send a lot of students to Caltech and other tech schools… which are not in IVY.</p>
<p>Yeah the info above is correct, they send “only” less than 10% to IVY. That’s surprisingly low to me (compare with top boarding schools). I guess that they send a lot of students to MIT, Caltech, and other tech schools… which are not in IVY.</p>
<p>It seems that you’re misusing some data here. The table in the article you link to has Stuyvesant as 9.9%, but it doesn’t refer to Ivy League matriculation. It refers to 8 specific schools: Harvard, Princeton, MIT, Williams, Pomona, Swarthmore, the University of Chicago and Johns Hopkins. That list may correlate with Ivy League matriculations, but it may not. For example, I would think that Stuyvesant students wouldn’t focus on Pomona at all. And I’m not sure to what extent they focus on Williams and Swarthmore, small liberal arts schools. As I stated before, I would think that Stuyvesant would have particularly strong placement at Cornell.</p>
<p>pulsar ill PM you with more info</p>
<p>I think you are misreading my post. I said Stuy sends a large number of kids to top schools, not on a percentage basis. What I am saying is that for a large school to send a lot of kids to Harvard is difficult, as Harvard would want a diverse student population from a lot of other schools, and Stuy seems do that very well. If you look at percentages, schools like Collegiate with 50 kids look better than HADES, but they only have to send a few kids to Harvard. The total number going to Ivy say from Andover will be less than that of Stuy, so Stuy will have a larger alumni network.</p>
<p>Lvillegrad misread and misquoted my post too, lol. I said “Yeah the info above is correct, they send “only” less than 10% to top 8 colleges.” See above.</p>
<p>Can someone look up the % of Stuyvesant students go to IVY? I bet it’s still wayy less than the percentage at top boarding schools. Around 30% of Andover/Exeter kids go to IVY - it’s hard to beat that.</p>
<p>pulsar: I think you’re misinterpreting my post about yours. I’m agreeing with your basic point. I’m just wondering about the number you cite that 60 students (which would be about 7.5% of the class) matriculate at Ivy League schools. I would have expected a bigger number. I’m wondering what your source is.</p>
<p>boardingschool: Yes, I did misread your post, because it seemed a bit out of place. You seemed to be claiming that since 9.9% matriculate at those 8 schools that the 7.5% figure for Ivy’s seems reasonable. I don’t quite follow the logic there. In fact, I would expect the Ivy percentage to be higher.
It would be nice to look up the % of Stuy students that go to an Ivy. If you could point me in the direction of that statistic, I’d love to have it. (I’ve been trying through various sources including parents of current students with access to their equivalent of Naviance).
And although I’m sure that Stuy doesn’t have anywhere near Andover or Exeter’s Ivy% (for a variety of reasons), note that neither Andover or Exeter have quite 30% either. Andover is at 27.8% (last 5 years) and Exeter is at 24.8% (last 3 years). Those 30% numbers you see in the PrepReview stats include MIT and Stanford also.</p>
<p>Yes - that’s why I say - people wouldn’t be quite as impressed if we said “on average, 75% of the students do NOT go to Ivy Leagues.”</p>
<p>That’s why I tell people not to get hung up on numbers. Stats are just snapshots. Without the qualitative data, they can be interpreted a lot of ways - almost all of them wrong.</p>
<p>“There are more Nobel Laureates from Stuy and Bronx Science than from all HADES combined.”</p>
<p>Stuyvesant (~67 percent Asian-American, 2007):</p>
<p>[Joshua</a> Lederberg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Lederberg]Joshua”>Joshua Lederberg - Wikipedia)
Class of 1941, European descent, Jewish</p>
<p>[Robert</a> Fogel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Fogel]Robert”>Robert Fogel - Wikipedia)
Class of 1944, European descent (Russian), Jewish</p>
<p>[Roald</a> Hoffmann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roald_Hoffmann]Roald”>Roald Hoffmann - Wikipedia)
Class of 1955, European descent (Polish), Jewish</p>
<p>[Richard</a> Axel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Axel]Richard”>Richard Axel - Wikipedia)
Class of 1963, European descent (Polish), Jewish</p>
<p>Bronx Science (59.92 Asian-American, 2008)</p>
<p>[Leon</a> Cooper - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_N._Cooper]Leon”>Leon Cooper - Wikipedia)
Class of 1947</p>
<p>[Sheldon</a> Lee Glashow - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Lee_Glashow]Sheldon”>Sheldon Glashow - Wikipedia)
Class of 1944, European descent (Russian), Jewish</p>
<p>[Steven</a> Weinberg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Weinberg]Steven”>Steven Weinberg - Wikipedia)
Class of 1950, Ashkenazi Jewish</p>
<p>[Melvin</a> Schwartz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melvin_Schwartz]Melvin”>Melvin Schwartz - Wikipedia)
American</p>
<p>[Russell</a> Alan Hulse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_A._Hulse]Russell”>Russell Alan Hulse - Wikipedia)
American</p>
<p>[Hugh</a> David Politzer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._David_Politzer]Hugh”>Hugh David Politzer - Wikipedia)
Class of 1966, European descent (Slovak)</p>
<p>[Roy</a> J. Glauber - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_J._Glauber]Roy”>Roy J. Glauber - Wikipedia)
Class of 1941, American</p>
<p>–</p>
<p>Guess we’ll have to wait another fifty years until we see any more laureates that reflect the changing faces of these schools, eh? And, how many times bigger are these two public schools than the independent boarding schools? You’re counting per capita, whereas you should be paying attention to the ratio of laureates to total number of graduates.</p>
<p>Actually, according to this source, up to 25% of Stuy graduates make to an ivy. </p>
<p>[Answers</a> About Stuyvesant High School, Part 2 - City Room Blog - NYTimes.com](<a href=“http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/18/answers-about-stuyvesant-high-school-part-2/]Answers”>Answers About Stuyvesant High School, Part 2 - The New York Times)</p>
<p>what’s the point of mentioning “~67 percent Asian-American, 2007” when ~ all laureates you mentioned above are not Asian? That’s like saying “asians at Stuy suck” lol</p>
<p>Anyway, the # of Nobel winners is just one small aspect. Many people would argue that Nobel laureates = pure scientists = nerds, not making much money etc. (any scientist would tell you that the Nobel prize itself - 1.5mil - is decent money, compare with what needs to be invested in their research)
I know people who are crazily smart but they don’t like to do research or pure science… They may study Math/Chem and then go into industry or business, make a lot of money. If kids at boarding schools don’t consider Nobel prize the purpose of their lives as much as kids at Stuyvesant, what are you to judge them?
Personally, I think the # of laureates is an interesting fact to look at, but not a criteria to compare schools. I prefer to go to top boarding schools where I meet well-rounded ppl than to study among a bunch of nerds (that’s kind of my impression after reading your post). But again, it’s personal preference. If you want to do pure research/science then the # of laureates might be important to you.</p>
<p>Where do you get your information about St. George’s. Hard Times? You have got to be kidding. Please take a look at the College Acceptances for 2010 and also 2009.<br>
Wonderful school, students and facilities.</p>