2010 Top Fundraisers Sorted by Increase in Donations from 2005 - 2010

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<p>There is virtually no benefit of UCSF to Cal in SF’s donations, other than a few Cal undergrads who have opps at SF med center. </p>

<p>On the other hand, UCLA undergrads benefit greatly from donations to its med school. Much, most of this is because UCLA Med is on campus. If it were displaced a distance of, say, Cal to SF med center, then little benefit at all or certainly lesser. Ultra south campus at UCLA is a blending of the undergrad life sciences and some of UCLA med.</p>

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Uh, I think it benefits more than just “a few Cal undergrads”…</p>

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<p>[Pre-Health</a> Undergraduate Program (PUP) | UCSF Clinical & Translational Science Institute](<a href=“http://ctsi.ucsf.edu/training/pup]Pre-Health”>http://ctsi.ucsf.edu/training/pup)

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<p>JCB, I’ve labeled them from 1-10.</p>

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<p>So you and maybe RML did searches on “UCSF” and “UC Berkeley” and this is what you came up with (RML mentioned something about ‘clerkships,’ which is referrenced in one of the links … is why I include him). Some of these could have a high/higher degree of benefit to/of Cal undergrads of donations to SF. </p>

<p>I would think though, that Cal sought SF out from some of these internships, etc, as in 9 and 10, not that SF received a donation to benefit Cal undergrads. Note, too, that these are summertime programs. Even though these say “for [UCB] undergrads,” etc, what would prevent a Harvard student back home in SF for the summer from participating? Summer internships, etc, probably tend to be opened up to all comers or moreso, than if they occurred during the regular academic terms.</p>

<p>Provide for me the transmission process of a SF donation benefitting Cal undergrads for 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, and even 1, 7, and 8. Some of these at least appear to be joint faculty studies or programs.</p>

<p>I think you’re mistaking some of these programs as benefits to Cal undergrads. The majority of donations to UCLA Med obviously don’t filter down to UCLA undergrads very much at all but have to be more benefit to these latter than from SF to Cal undergrad. </p>

<p>A lot of donations to UCLA Med are by those with undergrad degrees from the U, who were directed to donating to the U by administration who really don’t like things like merit for undergrads, even though these donors may have approached the U to specifically benefit undergrad programs. Generally for UCLA, improving a program, chair, etc … good; merit, possibly upsetting the diversity cart … bad. Less options -> Just donate to med school. I mean, that’s the ultimate point isn’t it: which alumni between the two are more in a giving mode?</p>

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<p>^ I don’t understand your point about proportion of donations to undergrads. The donations to medical school facilities are primarily for medical research, not undergraduate development. My point wasn’t to say the donations benefit Cal undergrads, but they do benefit the UCSF/Cal joint programs and faculty, of which there are many research ties.</p>

<p>Berkeley’s numbers do not include medical school donations. UCLA’s does.<br>
Berkeley is only $32.9 million behind UCLA and does not have a medical school, which are very costly to operate. Berkeley also has about 1,400 fewer undergrads than UCLA…Based on this, I’d say more donation money benefits Berkeley undergrads than UCLA.</p>

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<p>I’m not sure why you’re trying to muddle the points here. </p>

<p>Donations to UCLA Med benefits it by improving and maintaining building programs & labs & faculty; inititating research; drawing in researchers; etc. </p>

<p>All I’m saying is what is earmarked for med, will indeed improve, say, the life sciences at UCLA for undergrads. That counseling of Cal undergrads by UCSF med students that you mentioned, goes on year-round for UCLA undergrads by its m students. Having a med school and center on campus has to have greatly improved UCLA’s premed offerings and counseling of undergrads for eventual M-school.</p>

<p>Again, many UCLA undergrad alums would’ve rather improved the undergrad colleges and improved merit offerings of the U, but were directed towards donating to the med school as a second option because they themselves would see their medical care improved since many of them live in the immediate area. </p>

<p>So I’m just saying that donations to UCLA med or non-related things to med are all great and they are unseparable for all who attend UCLA for undergrad and grad. You can’t say that for the most part of SF and Cal. So therefore -> combining SF and Cal is just plain wrong. It’s not an either or: combining two institutions which except for having “UC” designation have little in common or separating UCLA Med from the rest of the U; you can’t combine donations or separate them out. </p>

<p>As to Cal’s improvement: I think you have to see if this trend continues. Starting out low and ending up higher doesn’t mean this trend will continue. </p>

<p>Not a big deal or point…</p>

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<p>'ruin, I think you’re the one muddling points here by bringing up UCLA undergrad pre-med and advising and future medical care. This thread has to do with donations to a total university - including medical research programs. For an apples to apples comparison, Berkeley’s numbers (with no med school) + UCSF’s numbers (med school only) = a university’s numbers that include a medical school.</p>

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<p>If medical schools really make all the difference, then why on earth is berkeley 4th on the list instead of 7th or 8th? It’s the only school on this list without a med school, so why isn’t it in last place due to its lacking of one of these so called ‘magnets.’ The truth is you have no evidence, and your seemingly ‘causal’ explanation is nothing more than a conjecture.</p>

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<p>so we can combine universities that once had a relation to one another? If that were the case, why not just combine MIT with Harvard, i mean, they’re only like 2 miles apart and, IMS, students of either campus can take classes at the other.</p>

<p>if we COULD do that, the donation rate would look like:

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<p>not only is doing this greatly, and laughably, manipulating the data, but it clearly omits the fact that each university’s donations are going toward their own universities and are not being used to ‘directly’ benefit the other university. The same goes with UCSF’s donation. It should also be noted that UCSF is a ‘health science’ school, not just a med school. So you’re essentially trying to combine two universities and are attempting to justify it through some arbitrary relationship they once had, of which they still share some indirect relationship.</p>

<p>the truth is, some universities, as good as they may be, just do a crappy job at fundraising, and Berkeley is one of them. Chicago pretty much epitomizes this being 5th on USNWR and getting like 19th in donations.</p>

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Because it does well in fundraising. Despite what you claim.</p>

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<a href=“http://www.ucop.edu/instadv/documents/2010.pdf[/url]”>http://www.ucop.edu/instadv/documents/2010.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Distribution by Discipline: $ 1,325,426,394 Total Percentage
Agriculture and Natural Resources $48,751,043 3.68%
Arts, Letters and Sciences 123,845,936 9.34%
Athletics/Sports 62,532,333 4.72%
Business/Management 37,643,134 2.84%
Engineering 107,373,608 8.10%
Financial Aid (non-Departmental) 11,979,555 0.90%
Health Sciences and Medicine 636,808,558 48.05%
Law 27,047,002 2.04%
Libraries 16,729,309 1.26%
Miscellaneous* 113,072,035 8.53%
Other Academic Programs 38,129,704 2.88%
Other Professional Schools 81,623,540 6.16%
Veterinary Medicine 19,890,637 1.50%
Total $1,325,426,394 100.00%</p>

<p>Over 48% of donations for a specific use are for health sciences and medicine.</p>

<p>Of that total $636 million, over 30% went to UCLA and over 42% to UCSF.
[Page 15 of the linked document].</p>

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<p>beyphy–you are just wrong. Raising money for health/med schools is FAR easier than raising it for econ or sociology. That’s just a fact of life and to say it is not is mistaken and just be provocative/obstinate. It is also a fact that universities with med schools get far more research funding than those without on average so when comparing schools by total research you have to consider that too. And money that goes for medical research has relatively little trickle-down to most undergrads. Fair is fair.
There even is a study about that.</p>

<p><a href=“http://mup.asu.edu/DeconstructingUniversityRankings.pdf[/url]”>http://mup.asu.edu/DeconstructingUniversityRankings.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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Ummm, it states so directly on the internship application: “Students have to be enrolled in the fall of 2011 at UC Berkeley as an undergraduate”. Perhaps there are other programs at UCSF open to other students. But these particular internships are only open to Berkeley undergrads.</p>

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<p>I’m not one who combines the two, since UCSF always has been separate, kinda like Southern Branch was separate (and I guess still is).</p>

<p>But beyphy, when you get out into the world of fundraising, you’ll see that it is much, much easier to raise funds for hospitals/medical research than many other needy areas. Just look at all the efforts on behalf of breast cancer ribbons, for example, or children’s hospitals. A tug at the heart opens wallets.</p>

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<p>drax12, I am aware that Berkeley doesn’t have a medical school, so there’s no need to drag me into this debate. Having said that, I understand the message of ucbchemgrad and I think he has a good point. But I don’t really want to be implicated into a war between 2 fantastic State U’s. :)</p>

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<p>From De Bello Gallico to De Bello UC fratribus :)</p>

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<p>Possibly because most med schools are off campus? As I said before, there’s an almost indistinguishable mixing of south-campus life-science buildings and medical complexes. Undoubtedly more separation with the new med center west of the old one. I don’t know what long-term things the U has for the old one, but hopefully they’ll raze it and make room for more construction (as always). I guess this phrase should be “Under Construction Like Always,” as well as “inseparable” and “mistakenly” from some of my earlier ones. </p>

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<p>There have been donors who’ve wanted to give back to UCLA, to improve its undergrad, but UCLA was/is very adamant about not wanting to establish a lot of undergrad merit. So if undergrad, it’s usually either a construction project, a chair, or other individual department improvements. So you’ll find a lot of UCLA undergrad alums donate to the med school. It’s enough for one to ask: Why is he/she doing that; what is the connection?</p>

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<p>after looking extensively at these documents (including the ones from other years) i’m inclined to think that you’re correct. Specifically with regards to:</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.ucop.edu/instadv/documents/2008.pdf[/url]”>http://www.ucop.edu/instadv/documents/2008.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>where UCLA raised 450m (of which a bit more than half of was purely for medical and health related stuff) i’ll be interested in seeing the report for 10-11 whenever it comes out.</p>

<p>i still think it’s incorrect for you to try to combine UCSF’s donations and Berkeley’s (counterfactually, there’s no possible way you could know that each university would have raised the same amount of money if they were jointly one university.)</p>

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<p>The focus should really not be how much money raised or the size of the school’s endowment, rather, how much is the school willing to spend!! I know that for instances, Ohio State is set to be spending a few billion dollars on campus constructions alone in the next five years. ;)</p>

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<p>It was reported that USC has raised $1.2 billion in the last twelve months.</p>

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<p>UCLA spent close to like $5b last year just on operations LOL.</p>

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<p>^^ That is the annual “operation budget”… No biggie! So is Ohio State!!</p>

<p>[Board</a> of Trustees looks to privatize OSU parking, approves $4.9 billion budget - Campus - The Lantern - Ohio State University](<a href=“http://www.thelantern.com/campus/board-of-trustees-looks-to-privatize-osu-parking-approves-4-9-billion-budget-1.2583379]Board”>http://www.thelantern.com/campus/board-of-trustees-looks-to-privatize-osu-parking-approves-4-9-billion-budget-1.2583379)</p>

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<p>"Last year, UCLA had a $4.7 billion operating budget, but only $234 million was spent on the College budget, which educates over 90 percent of undergraduates and many of the graduate students. In fact, less than 3.5 percent of the total UCLA budget was spent on undergraduate instruction.</p>

<p>Unfortunately, due to the structure of the UCLA budget, almost all of the recent cuts to state funding will be directed towards undergraduate instruction and graduate support. One reason why undergraduates will suffer the most, as their fees go up 42 percent in just over a year, is that 87 percent of the general funds allotted for faculty support goes to Senate faculty salaries, but non-Senate faculty and graduate students teach over 50 percent of the undergraduate student credit hours. In other words, the people doing the majority of the undergraduate teaching are receiving less than 13 percent of the faculty budget…"</p>

<p>Source: <a href=“http://www.dailybruin.com/index.php/article/2010/01/ucla-budget-must-prioritize-education[/url]”>http://www.dailybruin.com/index.php/article/2010/01/ucla-budget-must-prioritize-education&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Fair enough, beyphy.</p>