2015 USNWR predictions

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And Penn has reached #4 in four of the last twelve US News rankings, just to further emphasize that point.</p>

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<p>Social prestige is a different animal. For higher education institutions, it would take many years if not decades to change or enhance public perception. Most importantly, those universities would need the “performance” to back it up, be it producing billionaires on regular basis, cranking out Nobel laureates from time to time, breakthrough research, etc, etc.
HYP are old by fact while schools such Stanford and Chicago are a lot younger comparatively, so it’s a lot harder to gain social prestige on the same wave length as HYP. Personally, I think Stanford is there and Chicago is getting there in due time. </p>

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<p>My Prediction:</p>

<ol>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>Chicago</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>MIT</li>
<li>Penn</li>
<li>Caltech</li>
<li>Duke</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Northwestern</li>
<li>Johns Hopkins</li>
<li>WUSTL</li>
<li>Berkeley</li>
<li>Vanderbilt</li>
<li>Emory</li>
<li>Georgetown</li>
<li>Rice</li>
<li>Notre Dame</li>
<li>UCLA</li>
<li>Carnegie Mellon</li>
<li><p>USC</p></li>
<li><p>Virginia</p></li>
<li><p>Wake Forest</p></li>
<li><p>Tufts</p></li>
<li><p>Michigan</p></li>
<li><p>UNC-CH</p></li>
<li><p>Boston College</p></li>
<li><p>NYU</p></li>
<li><p>William and Mary</p></li>
<li><p>Brandeis</p></li>
<li><p>Rochester</p></li>
<li><p>Boston University</p></li>
<li><p>Georgia Tech</p></li>
<li><p>Case Western</p></li>
<li><p>UC-Davis</p></li>
<li><p>Penn State</p></li>
<li><p>San Diego</p></li>
<li><p>RPI</p></li>
<li><p>UC-Santa Barbara</p></li>
<li><p>Lehigh</p></li>
<li><p>University of Illinois (Urbana-Champaign)</p></li>
<li><p>Wisconsin-Madison</p></li>
<li><p>Northeastern</p></li>
<li><p>Tulane</p></li>
<li><p>UC-Irvine</p></li>
<li><p>University of Washington</p></li>
</ol>

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<p>Yeah, it is a really rough list.</p>

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<p>Another thing that’s helped out schools like Chicago and Stanford is being billionaire universities. Stanford’s billionaire donation came from the father of its namesake; and Chicago’s came from Rockefeller; The same can also be said of other universities like Duke, Vanderbilt, Johns Hopkins, Carnegie Mellon and Cornell. These early donations helped these universities become as elite as they are today. And large donations from billionaires are obviously still very influential today. This can be seen with Bloomberg’s influence at Hopkins, Geffen’s influence at UCLA, and Moore’s influence at Caltech.</p>

<p>Many of the top universities that are not hundreds of years old have come to prominence from either these huge donations or large funding from the state. This can be seen in the UCs, like UCLA and Berkeley and in the influence of the Hope scholarship on schools like GeorgiaTech and perhaps Emory.</p>

<p>Schools without such funding can still break the ranks into elite universities. This can be seen most recently with USC. And perhaps with a school like Michigan (not sure how well the state funded Michigan historically so take this with a grain of salt.)</p>

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<p>Yes, as the Chicago Tribune reported in August 2006, UChicago representatives met in Washington DC with US News personnel to review how the university was calculating its performance data. After changing its calculation methods (apparently following US News advice), the college jumped from 15th to 9th place in the 2006 rankings. The jump did not reflect any change in academic quality whatsoever. It was simply an accounting change.
<a href=“http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2006-08-18/news/0608180238_1_world-report-rankings-national-universities-student”>http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2006-08-18/news/0608180238_1_world-report-rankings-national-universities-student&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>1 Harvard
1 Princeton
3 Yale
3 Stanford
5 Penn
5 Duke
5 MIT
8 Columbia
9 U Chicago
10 Dartmouth
11 Northwestern
12 …</p>

<p>It doesn’t make a lot of sense to include Caltech on this list. It’s too small an undergraduate school and very specialized. But since it’s not a LAC and since it has an exceptional student body and reputation I’d put it as number 12.</p>

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<p>Duke=MIT and Stanford? You can’t be serious.</p>

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<p>^^ I think that there is a picture of this list in the dictionary under the word meaningless. Why not just give every school a 2 and be done with it? That would make as much sense. This shows why researching fit is paramount, not just looking at the numbers. </p>

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<p>@rjkofnovi‌ </p>

<p>You do realize that Duke is ranked the same as MIT this year right? Also, the list above has Stanford ranked at #3 so I’m not sure where you are getting the whole Duke=Stanford thing from.</p>

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<ol>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Chicago</li>
<li>MIT</li>
<li>Caltech</li>
<li>Penn</li>
<li>Duke</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Northwestern</li>
<li>Johns Hopkins</li>
<li>WUSTL</li>
<li>Vanderbilt</li>
<li>Emory</li>
<li>Rice</li>
<li>Berkeley</li>
<li>Georgetown</li>
<li>Notre Dame</li>
<li>USC</li>
<li>Carnegie Mellon</li>
<li>UCLA</li>
<li>Wake Forest</li>
</ol>

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<p>My predictions

  1. Princeton
  2. Harvard
  3. Yale
  4. Stanford
  5. Chicago
  6. MIT
  7. Columbia
  8. Duke
  9. Penn
  10. Caltech
  11. Brown
  12. Dartmouth
  13. Northwestern
  14. Cornell
  15. Johns Hopkins
  16. Rice
  17. WUSTL
  18. Emory
  19. Berkeley
  20. Georgetown
  21. Vanderbilt
  22. Notre Dame
  23. Carnegie Mellon
  24. UCLA
  25. USC
  26. UVA</p>
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<p>LOL @ Duke dropping to 10th. </p>

<p>In what world?</p>

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<ol>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>MIT</li>
<li>Chicago</li>
<li>Duke</li>
<li>Penn</li>
<li>Caltech</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Brown </li>
<li>Johns Hopkins</li>
<li>Northwestern</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Rice</li>
<li>Georgetown</li>
<li>Vanderbilt</li>
<li>WUSTL</li>
<li>Notre Dame</li>
<li>Carnegie Mellon</li>
<li>Emory</li>
<li>Berkeley</li>
<li>UCLA</li>
<li>UVA</li>
</ol>

<p>This is a total guestimate. I know nothing about the rankings or the methodology. IMHO, I don’t understand the hype of Chicago, WUSTL or Emory, especially Emory. I feel that MIT and Rice should get more credit. </p>

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<p>I will add my guess for fun.</p>

<ol>
<li> Harvard</li>
<li> Princeton</li>
<li> Yale</li>
<li> Stanford</li>
<li> MIT </li>
<li> Penn</li>
<li> Columbia</li>
<li> Duke</li>
<li> Chicago</li>
<li>Caltech</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Johns Hopkins</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Northwestern</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Georgetown</li>
<li>Vanderbilt</li>
<li>Carnegie Mellon</li>
<li>Berkeley</li>
<li>Notre Dame</li>
<li>UVA</li>
<li>Rice</li>
<li>Emory</li>
<li>UCLA</li>
<li>WUSTL</li>
</ol>

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<p>what’s the point?</p>

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<p>In reality Columbia, Stanford, and MIT should all move ahead of Yale and Princeton. They have higher admissions standards at this point. Chicago is good, but still not on the level of any of the schools in the top eight. Its admit rate, which only counts for like 2% of the ranking, is still not in the top ten. Duke is also overranked.</p>

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<p>Chicago may have improved, but so did everyone else. Harvard and Stanford are about 5%, Yale and Columbia are about 6%. Princeton, MIT and Brown are all about 8%.</p>

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<p>The University of Chicago has been one of the leaders in higher education since its inception. It was ranked #2 behind Harvard in 1910. Perhaps it’s worth revisiting to the granddaddy of college ranking by Cattell. </p>

<p><a href=“http://unirank.blogspot.com/2012/06/university-rankings-1906-first-attempt.html”>http://unirank.blogspot.com/2012/06/university-rankings-1906-first-attempt.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>“Duke is also overrated” Why? Because you think so? What a joke.</p>

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<p>My guess:</p>

<p>1). Harvard, Princeton
3). Yale
4). Stanford
5). Columbia, MIT
7). Duke, Penn
9). Chicago
10). Dartmouth</p>