<p>No wonder Kumar works for Dr. House now.</p>
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If there were ever a way to underhype getting a 45 on the MCATs, it would be by only using one "very" in describing its difficulty. And in any case, I told you I ended up not actually knowing anyone who got a 45.</p>
<p>Someone who's gone far in USABO, USNCO, and USAPhO (especially far in USNCO) probably could score in the 44-45 range, but the number of people who do this is effectively 0, and if there are people who do it then it seems they aren't too pre-med savvy.</p>
<p>Just a note, what kryptonsa says is absolutely true about his friend.</p>
<p>What everyone is saying is that since 42+ scores are so hard to come by even for third-year college students, no one here is going to believe you that a high schooler managed to do it without seeing any conclusive proof. Your say-so isn't enough for the people here.</p>
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Someone who's gone far in USABO, USNCO, and USAPhO (especially far in USNCO) probably could score in the 44-45 range
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This logic doesn't follow.</p>
<p>Those competitions require knowing things in great detail, right? The MCAT does not test or reward knowing a lot of facts or details. It rewards being able to glean from a passage the required information, and to a much lesser extent, bringing in outside information. Again, there are a lot of people who take the test that have taken advanced coursework or have an excellent foundation in the sciences. That does not automatically mean they will score in the 99.99 percentile.</p>
<p>You are comparing very different skill sets and test-types.</p>
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This friend is known for her incredible achievements. Achievements that would be conducive with scoring spectacularly on the MCATs.
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Exactly what high school achievements are you talking about?</p>
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She found her AP classes to have covered MCAT material more than satisfactorily, and she studied only orgo in her own time as preparation.
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This is hard to believe considering previous discussions on how AP courses (especially bio and chem) in general are far from sufficient for the MCAT.</p>
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All contingent upon the truthfulness of a 44 by a high school student...sounds a bit trollish though, or a very gullible CC member tricked by their high school friend)
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It's very likely that kryptonsa is a very gullible one and she just got tricked by her friend.</p>
<p>I'm not one to usually say this, but i'm going to have to this time...TROLL!
Its one thing to get a perfect on the ACT or SAT, but MCAT is in a whole other league, it literally takes years of college prepartation and months of careful test prep to just meet the national average of a 30. Plush Harvard, yale, Brown, Stanford, Dartmouth, Columbia University, Cornell, etc... all require 36 which is excellent/amazing, there is simply no way a high schooler could pull something like a 45/44 or whatever off! Not even Jimmy Neutron could do it!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>*preparation *Plus</p>
<p>Why would I be inclined to give away my friend's identity, especially since I know (and everyone except you knows) that nothing short of identity or the actual score report, the latter of which I have no way to include, would convince those who don't know her that she got a 44?</p>
<p>You should also know that, given the 45 is as rare as it is (perhaps unachievable), no one could possibly know the answer to the OP.</p>
<p>All that is obvious. As is the fact that -someone out there- is capable of getting a 44 in high school and has done it. It's not the most impressive or unbelievable thing a high schooler has ever done. Furthermore, take care to notice that some have already verified my account as being anything but dishonest or unvalid.</p>
<p>So wait, kryptonsa, your friend actually took the mcat in high school...i mean, she didn't just get a 44 on a practice test, but actually paid to take the mcat and went to a testing session and took it?</p>
<p>it's possible. they're probably one of those weird genius people. not a normal pre-med student who actually has to study a LOT. almost savant syndrome like.</p>
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Those competitions require knowing things in great detail, right? The MCAT does not test or reward knowing a lot of facts or details. It rewards being able to glean from a passage the required information, and to a much lesser extent, bringing in outside information. Again, there are a lot of people who take the test that have taken advanced coursework or have an excellent foundation in the sciences. That does not automatically mean they will score in the 99.99 percentile.
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<p>Re-read my post: I said COULD. What I described is a very rare type of individual (only know one person who fits the criteria, and he's actually pre-med...go figure) who probably already has the sufficient base for problem-solving, knowledge, and test-taking needed for the MCAT.</p>
<p>In 2004, I paid like $175 to take the MCAT. At that point it was an all day 7:30am - 5pm deal. I don't see why a high school would subject themselves to such abuse, let alone pay for it, when they weren't going to get scores that were even usable to them if they were to apply to medical school. It just simply does not add up one iota of sense.</p>
<p>High schoolers really advanced and smart enough to score a 44 on the MCAT would not be nonsensical enough to take the MCAT in high school just to see if medicine is right for them.</p>
<p>Still, it might be POSSIBLE, but just VERY VERY rare.</p>
<p>Look, at a theoretical level, I can totally conceive of it. The raw content of the MCAT isn't, in and of itself, particularly beyond AP-level. The Biology and Organic Chemistry would be really hard, but actually I know a lot of high school students who took organic anyway. I know an awful lot of brilliant high schoolers. I know a lot of kids who could, in theory, be capable of scoring a 45 on the MCAT. If you had given me a hundred MCATs to take as a high schooler, I might have myself been able to hit 45 once or twice after a few (5-6) months of studying.</p>
<p>Here's the problem: the AAMC tells us that kids who score 43, much less 44, happen only once every few years. In other words, the data tell us that this theoretical possibility simply doesn't happen.</p>
<p>I'm not sure I follow. For this "theoretical possibility" to "simply not happen," you need to prove two things: 1) that 43s and 44s only happen once every few years and 2) that my friend isn't precisely that "once every few years" person.</p>
<p>Only 1) is proven. I know 2) is not only -not- proven but also completely wrong.</p>
<p>And in case it means anything to you, my friend has her 44 posted on the public resume visible to her (once potential) employers. Lying about that, especially something that is both easily checked and almost disbelievable, would be quite the dumb career move.</p>
<p>Granted, that doesn't prove she got the 44 while a high school student, but oh well.</p>
<p>You realize that the MCAT scores only last for 3 years after you take it right? So that means taking it as a highschool student means her score would have likely expired before she even applied to med school?</p>
<p>also to this:
"I’m not one to usually say this, but i’m going to have to this time…■■■■■!
Its one thing to get a perfect on the ACT or SAT, but MCAT is in a whole other league, it literally takes years of college prepartation and months of careful test prep to just meet the national average of a 30. Plush Harvard, yale, Brown, Stanford, Dartmouth, Columbia University, Cornell, etc… all require 36 which is excellent/amazing, there is simply no way a high schooler could pull something like a 45/44 or whatever off! Not even Jimmy Neutron could do it!!! "</p>
<p>I started out at a 40 on my practice tests (ended up getting a 36 though), but this was without studying. I can easily see someone getting a 42/43/44 as a high schooler, potentially, but taking the mcat in high school would be ■■■■■■■■.</p>
<p>You do realize that this thread is over a year old right? :D</p>
<p>Also realize that this:</p>
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… was said.</p>
<p>Some of the students who attended George Masson University in summer of 2005 for their USABO knew that their (Student) instructor scored 41 in MCAT in high school. She was not a typical high school student. It was a personal challenge for her to measure her own standing. Obviously, appearing in an exam from 7:30 to 5 was not a problem for her.</p>
<p>By the way, one of those students, who attended 2005 USABO later scored 43 - 15, 15 and 13 in MCAT (Series 61, Test Date 01/25/2008). To the best of my understanding, no one so far scored 44 or 45 since CBT started; someone will sooner or later for sure.</p>
<p>So there is no reason to doubt kryptonsa36.</p>