5 days to HOT HOT HOT App. St. U.!!!

Colleges and Universities A-Z University of Michigan
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NW: 42-14, W

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i blame it on the michigan students for not being loud enough. i was literally in disbelief, if michigan can't beat app state at home in the season opener, how can they beat anyone but northwestern

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<p>Uhh, you guys do realize that NU hung tough with UM last season – and that our QB, despite starting in only his 2nd game, managed to pass for 200+ yds against UM’s “vaunted D”).</p>

<p>I have been penciling a Wildcat win over the ‘rines in 2008 (with a close game, but a UM victory this year), but the chances are looking better for a NU win this year (tho, I still think that UM will probably still win the game).</p>

<p>NU has a better O AND D this year. UM’s D is worse and the O is about the same.</p>

<p>Frankly, UM was overrated this year based on the 3 returning stars on O (any team with a suspect D should never be ranked in the top 5, much less top 10 – see ND the past couple of yrs).</p>

<p>As for ASU, they would be an upper-middle tier B10 team (about the level of a Purdue) – so in the real scheme of things, it’s not that great of an upset (if Duke played and beat UM at AA this season, otoh...).</p>

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It is 107,501, where only about 20,000 are actually cheering, the rest chatting away with their aura of arrogance over them. It's the entire attitude of the school, and the administration, thinking that they are just better than everyone else when they really aren't. 1/2 the fans didn't even attend the school anyways, just living off of where their parents got their degree and their old money.

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<p>Uhh, weren’t you the one calling maguo a “moron” for predicting an ASU upset (not to mention predicting that UM would win by ”at least 3 TDs”)?</p>

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<p>I could not agree more that Michigan fans suck. And it's not just the alumni, it's the students. There are so many dorky sober kids there who don't make a goddamn noise. Then we do that dumb key thing which just makes us look really gay. seriously, my high school stadium was louder.
Man, I wish I was at the Swamp right now, or along the Tiger Walk. Much better game day atmosphere.</p>

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It's the entire attitude of the school, and the administration, thinking that they are just better than everyone else when they really aren't.

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<p>Oh, come on.</p>

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<p>With the poor performances of the players, the majority of the stadium stayed for the entire game. Just because people don't yell and root while our team (groomed with the university's money) is making a historic loss does not make us disloyal. Given our situation, I think it was expected that the stadium shut up. You don't get momentum by losing; you get momentum by winning. This is why Hart's run around the end and Manningham's catch caused a surge of energy throughout the stadium, while the rest of the game were quiet due to our being held in check by a DI-AA school.</p>

<p>Michigan fans are poor fans in general, but given our own standards, we were loyal to the team during the game.</p>

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Uhh, weren’t you the one calling maguo a “moron” for predicting an ASU upset (not to mention predicting that UM would win by ”at least 3 TDs”)?

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Yes, I did say that, and please forgive me for overseeing on the biggest upset in college football history.</p>

<p>See, it's not that hard to recognize that you said something k&s, it's something you really should learn.

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Oh, come on.

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Argue it.</p>

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<p>"It's the entire attitude of the school, and the administration, thinking that they are just better than everyone else when they really aren't"</p>

<p>A2Wolves, I think Hoedown was objecting to the latter part of your statement, not to the former part! LOL! </p>

<p>Seriously, yours is a very broad generalization. You have an element of elitism at most of the nation's elite universities. That does not mean that the administration, alumns or student bodies can or should be labled as such.</p>

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<p>Oh lord, now we're truly getting ridiculous. You want me to ARGUE this. With what, a scientific opinion poll across campus? A Rorschach test? A personality assessment of all 40,000 students and all the staff as well? </p>

<p>I will not argue it because your statement is hyperbole. As you well know. What are you trying to provoke here? That I'd ARGUE this? Ridiculous.</p>

<p>I know your earlier statement reflects your ongoing resentment over the fact that in the year that you applied, your application was not competitive enough to earn you admission. I know it's a real disappointment to hear "No," but you're at a great school, hopefully having the time of your life. Why continue to make these bizarro-world swipes at the entire institution? At least use up some facts if you want to do that. There's plenty o' material at your disposal. Make fun of us over the Nobel thing, that's a good one.</p>

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<p>Oh snap hoedown, this is getting good.</p>

<p>A2, weren't you transferring? How did that go? (Actually serious, no pokes/stabs at you, I thought I remembered something like that)</p>

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<p>What Nobel thing?</p>

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<p>Michigan doesn't have as many Nobel prize winners compared to other top Universities (I think?)</p>

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<p>We don't have anyone currently here who has a Nobel. That is, unless things have changed. Veltman (Physics) shared one with someone but it was awarded after his retirement. U-M has had its hand in educating some eventual Nobel winners, but right now (unless, like I said, I've forgotten someone) it has no Nobel winners in its employ. I know this is a thorn in the side of some, so it's a good slam.</p>

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<p>Hoedown, most Nobel Prize winners win the prize after their productive years. Most Nobel Prizer winners are in their late 60s and 70s. I think 20 Nobel Prize winners have been associated with Michigan (only 5 completed their undergraduate studies at Michigan). </p>

<p>That's neither great (schools like Cal, Chicago, Columbia, Harvard, MIT and Stanford have more than 50 each) nor bad (Brown, Dartmouth and Duke have 11 combined between the three of them, only 2 of which completed their undergraduate studies at the three combined ).</p>

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<p>Trust me when I tell you that there are people who have a chapped fanny over it.</p>

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<p>Yes, I think it's a valid area for criticism given the breadth of programs at Michigan and the amount of $ devoted to research.</p>

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<p>Hoedown, how exceedingly gracious of you to give advice to its critics about Umich's areas of vulnerability. Such a gesture is surely the antithesis of the arrogance and egotism of which we U-M-ers are accused. Well done.</p>

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<p>a2wolves -
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Yes, I did say that, and please forgive me for overseeing on the biggest upset in college football history.</p>

<p>See, it's not that hard to recognize that you said something k&s, it's something you really should learn.

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<p>LOL!! Stop trying to backtrack on all of your “arguments”.</p>

<p>Anyone who knows a bit about college FB knew that ASU would’ve, at the very least, given UM a game (i.e. – this means NOT predicting a blow-out victory by UM of “at least 3 TDs").</p>

<p>ASU would be among the upper 1/3 of Div 1A teams (8 yrs ago, ASU gave Auburn a scare 22-15 and this ASU team is BETTER than the one 8 yrs ago) – so this upset isn’t nearly as big as it has been made out to be (Duke beating UM would have been a much bigger upset).</p>

<p>As for the game day atmosphere at the House - too much of the "wine and cheese" crowd has been a common criticism.</p>

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I know your earlier statement reflects your ongoing resentment over the fact that in the year that you applied, your application was not competitive enough to earn you admission.

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First off, I was not talking about my admission. I talked about the football team and the overall perception of the institution from others. The truth hurts. My posts speak the truth, as someone who grew up in the town of Ann Arbor, someone who has hundreds of friends and family working and attending the institution. And some people (obviously you are included in this because you are replying to what I am saying) have an interest in my opinion and want to hear what someone's view is of the institution who knows a lot about it but is not affiliated with it.</p>

<p>But since you were talking about it, my application was competitive enough for admission. The bottom line is the University is guilty of using Affirmative Action in their admissions, reserving spaces in selected majors (the one which I applied to) for athletes, and making it more difficult for applicants from certain backgrounds to get in. Even with proposal 2 passing, they still find ways around it. I've talked to people who currently work in admissions, I know how the process goes. There is no other reason, and when I was a Senior, the Office of Admissions wouldn't provide another reason, for someone who has the average GPA of accepted applicants, the average ACT of accepted applicants, to not be admitted.</p>

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Why continue to make these bizarro-world swipes at the entire institution?

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Because it's the truth. And now that I'm not living in la-la-Michigan-land wearing the Lloyd Carr bedsheets and the Michigan sunglasses, I can see it. It's the opinion everyone in the Big Ten shares of the university, everyone at other schools in the state of Michigan. </p>

<p>Go up to East Lansing and ask the non-intoxicated students what they think of the institution. Go to Ypsilanti, well lets be honest, 90% of the tree huggers in Ann Arbor think Ypsi is "ghetto" and wouldn't go there. Ask people at EMU what they think of Michigan. Go to WCC, talk to them. They'll ask you why Michigan isn't in the MACARO agreement, whereas every other public institution in the state is? Why doesn't Michigan have any programs set up with community colleges in the state for students who choose to work hard who just don't have the funds to go to a 4 year institution? Why do they choose to be different?</p>

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A2, weren't you transferring? How did that go?

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I spoke to employers at the Detroit Lions, who came to my university and my Sport Management program to recruit, about U of M and their program. They said that they don't really recruit out of there, because Michigan produces the type of individuals who look to take over the company and demand unrealistic things because of the institution they graduated from. This was a common trend in employment. I also have family who work at the Ann Arbor News who said they don't like to hire Michigan graduates because of the same attitude - they don't want those type of kids. Notice how Michigan graduates aren't staying in-state when they graduate, many go to Chicago and NYC. Yes, much of this is due to the economy in the state. However, many local employers do not want Michigan kids. When I visited East Lansing, there was some CEO of some company (I don't remember) who was a MSU grad. He was giving a speech in the admissions visit, and just talked about how college makes him better. I went and talked to him afterwards, and he said his company doesn't recruit Michigan because of the arrogance of the students. He actually said that Wayne State and Eastern Michigan were his two big recruiting schools because those were kids who would truly appreciate working for the company.</p>

<p>Basically, I'm not transferring because 1) I feel I have a better job of getting the jobs I want at my current school, 2) Many students who I have talked to at Michigan do not like it there, and wish they went out of town for their studies, and 3) I like my school and am happy here.</p>

<p>k&s - for you to assume that I should have known that the Appalachian State game was coming, and that any reasonable fan knew that it was going to be a close game is more ridiculous than any other thing said in this thread. Michigan was favored by 34.</p>

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<p>A2wolves6, you used to be a huge Michigan supporter, and now you're pretty much the exact opposite. It's odd. </p>

<p>You're wrong about the admin. being arrogant. They're not. I've had time to interact with faculty, and they're usually the opposite of what you accuse them of being.</p>

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<p>It is odd, and I would be the first to admit that to any outside view of the university for someone to change their stance from "Yeah, Michigan rules!" to "This institution is evil" would cause people to immediately question the validity of the author. However, I feel that I have been able to experience both sides of the issue, being a Michigan supporter as well as going to campuses where people just don't like Michigan, and now that I have actually been exposed to both sides, I see what the people in East Lansing such as Quincy4 have been talking about this entire time, and what people in Ypsilanti have been telling me about the school.</p>

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<p>Funny how they dropped from 5 to waaaaaaaaaay out of top 25</p>