<p>Go Michigan ! Go Blue!</p>
<p>A2wolves if you think michigan is so stupid why do you keep coming here? If its not important to you, then the school shouldnt matter to you. The fact you keep coming back just shows that you are bitter about not getting in and are looking for reasons to bash Michigan to make yourself feel better. </p>
<p>On top of that, you not getting in and blaming it on Affirmative action is sad. I had a 3.4, im asian, and I got in because I was pro active about getting in while you probably sat on your ass and expected things to be given to you. Yeah Michigan lost. Yeah we were disappointed. But at the end of the day, we still bleed blue and next saturday we'll be out there again cheering for our team. </p>
<p>I hope you get over the fact you didnt get into Michigan and need to make yourself feel better by attacking every weakness U of M may have while i bet the institution you attend has many more.</p>
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dropped from 5 to waaaaaaaaaay out of top 25
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Not quite "waaaaaaaaay out of top 25" ... Michigan came in at #27.</p>
<p>Michigan is not alone. Florida State is also out of top 25... I bet no one would predict that at the beginning of the season.</p>
<p>You guys shouldn't be so harsh on A2Wolves. I have seen him stand up for Michigan on numerous occasions, especially with regards to its academic excellence. </p>
<p>Besides, I am not surprised. Even before he was unfortunately turned down by the University, way back when he was a great supporter of the program, he always complained about Carr and the lack of noise and spectator participation at football games. </p>
<p>Obviously, I do not agree with him, particularly on his opinion of the program's deterioration and the supposed arrogance of students, admin and alums.</p>
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Hoedown, how exceedingly gracious of you to give advice to its critics about Umich's areas of vulnerability. Such a gesture is surely the antithesis of the arrogance and egotism of which we U-M-ers are accused.
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<p>Thank you, thank you. It just gets old inviting people to kiss your hem day in, day out. You must occasionally throw the unwashed masses a bone, you know? </p>
<p>Now I'm off to sell some used toilet paper on ebay. You never know what you're going to get for a piece of tissue that has wiped an actual, authentic U-M butt. Surely the public will clamor for it.</p>
<p>A2Wolves writes:
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my application was competitive enough for admission.
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<p>I'm sorry, I don't think it's possible for any candidate to know with assurance how his or her application stacks up against others. I have heard students make the claim that they were a "better" candidate than a certain person or group of persons, when comparisons of admission readers' evaluation showed otherwise. You just can't know.</p>
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The bottom line is the University is guilty of using Affirmative Action in their admissions
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<p>Indeed, guilty as charged. The U went all the way to the Supreme Court on this, and at the time your application was reviewed it was legal for them to do so. However, do not forget that even when U-M used AA, thousands of students got in despite it. Some applicants get in and some applicants don't, and it doesn't all have to do with skin color or athletic prowess. </p>
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Even with proposal 2 passing, they still find ways around it. I've talked to people who currently work in admissions, I know how the process goes.
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<p>If this is true, get their names and their evidence and contact Attorney Mike Cox. The U takes compliance on this very seriously and they, and the Attorney General, would like to hear about these employees who are working around it.</p>
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There is no other reason, and when I was a Senior, the Office of Admissions wouldn't provide another reason, for someone who has the average GPA of accepted applicants, the average ACT of accepted applicants, to not be admitted.
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<p>I am surprised at this oversight on their part. What they should have told you is that it takes more than a GPA and ACT to be admitted to the University. Curriculum plays a large role, for example. Recommendations count, as does the essay. I am sorry that they did not remind you of that. I will also say that it is fallacious to assume that when you get "no reason" it must be because some ethnic minority or athlete was admitted in your place. There are many reasons that an admissions office may decline to give specific reasons for a student's evaluation, including respecting the privacy of recommendors, legal limits to what they can reveal about the records of other students, and just plain tact and empathy.</p>
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Go to WCC, talk to them. They'll ask you why Michigan isn't in the MACARO agreement, whereas every other public institution in the state is? Why doesn't Michigan have any programs set up with community colleges in the state for students who choose to work hard who just don't have the funds to go to a 4 year institution? Why do they choose to be different?
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<p>You are misinformed. First of all, it's MACRAO, not MACARO. Wayne doesn't participate, either, so whoever told you they all did is just wrong. More importantly, just because U-M doesn't participate doesn't mean it hasn't set up clear transfer policies with WCC. U-M does have an transfer guide worked out, including course equivalancies, with WCC and other community colleges. U-M works closely with them--part of the reason we were awarded the Cooke Foundation grant--and the result is that the U welcomes hundreds of community college transfers every year. They also have special scholarship funds set aside for CC transfers. I don't know how they can argue that the U is too "arrogant" to take them. Someone is feeding you misinformation.</p>
<p>Not quite "waaaaaaaaay out of top 25" ... Michigan came in at #27.</p>
<p>They are ranked 32 on AP Poll <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/polls?poll=1&date=2007-09-02%5B/url%5D">http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/polls?poll=1&date=2007-09-02</a></p>
<p>They are 27 on USA Today Poll... either way, one is a 22 rank drop, the other a 27 rank drop, not waaaaaaay out of top 25, but stilll..........</p>
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A2wolves if you think michigan is so stupid why do you keep coming here?
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I made this point clear in my response - there are people reading this who are interested in hearing a perspective that doesn't have the Michigan sunglasses on. If there wasn't, my posts would be going on without reply.</p>
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The fact you keep coming back just shows that you are bitter about not getting in and are looking for reasons to bash Michigan to make yourself feel better.
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That's not a fact, and not the reason I stay in this forum. I like to help high school seniors make college choices. I've been doing it the past 3 years.</p>
<p>Look through my posting history, there are TONS of threads where I am DEFENDING Michigan, recommending Michigan to other applicants, letting people know that Michigan is indeed a great school for academics. I "chance" applicants who are applying to the school, giving them an idea of whether or not they will be admitted. I post articles on U of M admissions. Michigan is my home school, and the school I grew up cheering for, living near, and supporting.</p>
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On top of that, you not getting in and blaming it on Affirmative action is sad. I had a 3.4, im asian, and I got in because I was pro active about getting in while you probably sat on your ass and expected things to be given to you.
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That is horrendously ignorant and something that I hope you truly didn't mean. </p>
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Yeah Michigan lost. Yeah we were disappointed. But at the end of the day, we still bleed blue and next saturday we'll be out there again cheering for our team.
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That is the reason that Michigan is never going to be elite again. You people keep supporting this nonsense. Take off the Lloyd Carr bedsheets. Your program is a mess. You have lost 2 games every single year since 1997. Michigan is quickly becoming Georgia, and if you don't know what I mean by that, you shouldn't be talking football.</p>
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I hope you get over the fact you didnt get into Michigan and need to make yourself feel better by attacking every weakness U of M may have while i bet the institution you attend has many more.
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I do believe my institution has weaknesses. However, to each his own. I personally believe that my institution is doing a better job of not preparing me for my career than Michigan is, but students here typically are happier that they are here than at Michigan. If it wasn't, then I would transfer to Michigan (and before you ask, yes I can get in).</p>
<p>Holler, i thought this thread was supposed to be about Michigan Football....</p>
<p>MICHIGAN, HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE 5HIT ON BY APPALACHIAN STATE? omg, they hella shat all over you.</p>
<p>ok, someone else who won't get into UM because they can't spell.</p>
<p>FIRE CARR NOW!!!</p>
<p>(or make him retire at the end of the season, I can't stand to watch this crap for my next 4 years here.)</p>
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Do not ever doubt my expertise. If you bet, we're going 7-6 this season:
Oregon: 7-42 loss, I'm not kidding
PSU: 24-27, L
ND: 37-14, W
NW: 42-14, W
EMU: 49-3, W
PUR: 27-26, W
Ill: 7-3, W
MN: 14-3, W
UW: 0-27, L, we're getting shut out
OSU: 27-3. L
If you bet, use these scores, trust me.
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<p>Damn, you were almost spot on with the Oregon game. Might have to put some of these scores to work on bodog.com</p>
<p>Yeah , if the last kick for the field goal had not come back of the upright, it would have been right on!</p>
<p>Gotta love the spread offense. Notre Dame is preparing a spread offense now just to beat us. The sad part is: it has a high chance of success.</p>
<p>I'm gonna revise the ND score after watching clips of today's game (don't remember watching it). It's gonna be a 14-10 win.</p>
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Do not ever doubt my expertise. If you bet, we're going 7-6 this season:
Oregon: 7-42 loss, I'm not kidding
PSU: 24-27, L
ND: 37-14, W
NW: 42-14, W
EMU: 49-3, W
PUR: 27-26, W
Ill: 7-3, W
MN: 14-3, W
UW: 0-27, L, we're getting shut out
OSU: 27-3. L
If you bet, use these scores, trust me.
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<p>holy crap!! You almost got the UO game DEAD ON. Forget hail to the victors, we should hail to maguo1 lol. I seriously hope that despite how pessimistic your predictions may seem that it turns out that way. Mich is playing like **** right now, and a 7-6 season seems extremely optimistic now. I doubt we could even beat notre dame at this rate.</p>
<p>Has anyone else in A2 noticed the effect a football loss has on the campus. Usually, a Sat. night in sept would be host to a lot of parties...people out and about etc. Not the case last night; it was so dead I couldn't even believe it.</p>
<p>During the football season, a loss can definitely dampen the overall campus atmosphere.</p>
<p>Lloyd Carr should have been fired 5 years ago. He is only capable of winning Big Ten games, with the exception of those against Jim Tressell. He relies purely on the talent of the athletes, and spends no time developing younger, less acclaimed talent. Furthermore, he cannot make the simplest mid-game adjustments, and every year the Michigan defense is incapable of stopping a running quarterback (last year was the exception). That is a COACHING problem. Also, it looks like none of the players on defense, especially the secondary, know how to play their positions. Morgan Trent has faster top end speed than Ted Ginn, yet he constantly gets burned. Lloyd Carr has ruined Michigan football and turned our program into an national embarassment. </p>
<p>We need a new coach (Les Miles), a new scheme, and a completely new mindset. Lloyd Carr is too old and not innovative. Big Ten titles are simply not enough. We need a national championship, and to do that, we need a new coach.</p>