Rank, Score, Standardized test scores of admitted freshman converted to percentile rank, retention rate, graduation rate, USNWR National Universities ranking
You put an awful lot of weight on test scores (Bowdoin thanks you) and on USNWR. I’m not sure I understand your reason for doing this “ranking”.
As with all rankings at this level it seems silly to rank individual schools. Just 2.4 points separate #1 and #10. Do we really think that represents a real difference in quality of education amongst any of those top ten schools?
^ You actually hit exactly on the main reason why I put this list together - to illustrate how small the differences between schools actually are! I think way too many people fail to understand that, which leads to all sorts of misery. (To take one small example, the number of people who apply to all the Ivies, and ignore schools that are quite comparable to the “lesser Ivies.”
I am not actually using the USNWR ratings at all, just provided it for reference.
I do put a lot of weight on test scores, primarily because I am ignoring stuff like admit rate and yield.
NickFlynn, any background for us? Where did you go to school? Your children? Any insights into your experience as one who has navigated life past college and concerns for one entering college? Are these the things you feel are important?
I’m a retired software engineer. I do some college admissions counseling on the side.
I think the value of these lists is to use them to expand your search list by identifying schools you might not have considered. The danger of these lists are that people think they are more precise than they really are.
I think that “fit” is way more important for most kids than getting into the highest ranked school possible.
With regard to standardized testing, these schools fall into three categories:
SAT/ACT required
Standardized testing required, but with the form being flexible (a specified combination from SAT subject tests, ACT writing, AP or IB exams being acceptable).
No standardized testing required.
As a consequence, in terms of these rankings, the 1 schools will be relatively deflated and the 3 schools will be relatively inflated. The 2 schools will be somewhere in between.
Examples can be found of highly selective schools (including one within the top five in the above ranking) that are score optional accepting students with SAT scores in the 1600 range (out of 2400), so the above distinctions are not hypothetical.
@NickFlynn: I’m happy to see a lot of the schools we’re considering on this list, but see that several others didn’t make the cut, and am wondering if you have ready enough access to this information to indicate whether they just missed it the cut, or fell way short. I’m particularly interested in where College of Wooster sits, but also Beloit & Earlham.
Assuming Clark & Lawrence are out of consideration because they’re universities rather than colleges, though I wouldn’t imagine they’d make the top 50 anyway, given the competition.
And, one more question: I now see there are some universities on your list. Am I misunderstanding your criteria? Are you including universities whose primary focus is really undergraduate education?
I don’t put a lot of stock on rankings, but they’re interesting when they generally reveal strengths and weaknesses, which is why I’m asking about the other schools – to see if there are issues I’m missing.
55 84.6 Lawrence University 87.8% 90% 73% 56
56 84.3 Beloit College 84.1% 91% 78% 61
59 83.8 The College of Wooster 84.7% 90% 76% 69
71 81.7 Earlham College 86.0% 83% 72% 73
Earlham’s test scores are likely inflated somewhat, as they only reported 69% of the incoming class.
I don’t have the data for Clark University, but I’ll google their CDS.
@porcupine98, Lawrence is definitely a LAC, despite the name. You’ll see that some LACs may have decided to call themselves a university even though they don’t have PhD programs and almost none (or no) grad students.
In some regard, “liberal arts college” is kind of a marketing term, but you may want to determine whether a college is focused on undergraduate teaching with little research and grad students or not.
^^ USNWR seems to rely pretty heavily on the Carnegie classifications for their lists, and I tried to follow that just so I could compare directly. Lawrence did end up classified as a LAC, but Clark did not. They put Clark in their “National Universities” list, ranked 76th.
By my system, Clark ends up at 85.5, which would put it right outside the Top 50 (test scores only covered 80% of incoming students.)