<p>I'm applying from MA (to many pubs in fact)</p>
<p>I know that for UNC, out of state is tough simply because of selectivity
Michigan is a little more forgiving, since they are allowed more OOS</p>
<p>What about UT? I'm applying to all three of these schools so I'd like to know.</p>
<p>I think its due to the fact that so many people have to be let in by rank alone, and then they have to let in the non-top-10% texas residents, leaving few for OOS and OOC students. Its not THAT much harder to get in, but OOS credentials are obviously higher then the instate. What kind of stats do you have?</p>
<p>Why are OOS credentials "obviously" higher than instate? Our top 10% has been pretty stable for the past 3 years and many people want to go to UT or A&M, but they continue to work hard and take difficult classes, study for SATs, and involve themselves in the community.</p>
<p>It can be expected that SOME schools will have a top 10% where the students are rather weak, but to use the world "obviously" sounds a bit condescending, like we're all lucky to get in with sub-par grades because of some law...</p>
<p>Isn't it obvious the average stats for instate vs out of state will be higher on the OOS because UT actually has an input on all of the latter, where as they have to let in anybody in the top 10 percent instate, and by design, the top 10 percent rule is inheritly flawed as far as merit based admissions go.</p>
<p>For example my school was extremely competitive, and I know a few kids with ~2100 SATS and around top 25% that didn't get in. Where people in a different high school in the exact same district would have weaker SATs and the same GPA(but rank would be higher because the student population there is dumber) and get in based on top 10%. And really with the top 10 percent rule, the only thing in that list of things you have to do is take "difficult" classes. And well OOS students have a lot harder time with subpar grades. I'm not saying people don't deserve to get in with good grades, but there are WAY WAY too many instances where people just flat out shouldn't be let in, i.e. I met a kid with a 1100 M+R, nothing really special, top 10 percent and he got in with no summer program or CAP.</p>
<p>I went to a really competitive private HS from OOS, and I wasn't in the top 10% (of about 150 kids), but I was probably around top 15% (my school doesn't rank). Last year, I think we had about 56 people apply to UT, and only 33 got in. It's definitely do-able, but you need to have pretty good ranking and/or test scores to get it. The application is must less holistic than somewhere else, like say Rice. (although UT is way easier to get into)</p>