There are about 10 schools now reporting their top 25% admits score at 1590/1600 on the SAT (HYPSMCC, Duke, Vanderbilt, Uchi). Considering collectively these 10 schools offer about 25,000 admits, then there should be about 6,000-7,000 kids with 1590/1600 scores admitted to all these school. But this would seem to be a statistical impossibility, (1) as there are probably only 1,500-2,000 kids getting scoring at this level, (2) not every kid with a 1590/1600 is applying to these schools. Even factoring in super scoring it still seems impossible there could be around 6/7,000 kids with these scores who are only applying to these schools, unless it’s the same 1,500/2,000 applying to all these schools but then there would be a vast discrepancy between the top 25% admit rate versus the enrollment rate. If this is the case, these schools should post the top scoring enrollment rate. Anybody have any ideas about where to check the admit v. enrollment for the top 25%?
Your entire argument falls apart on your first sentence:
None of those schools report that. All of those schools report 25th and 75th percentiles for EBRW and for math separately. One cannot simply add the numbers together with accuracy, although sites like Prepscholar make this error year after year.
thanks. yes, I got the list from Prepscholar but other sites make the same claim. Also, I thought when the colleges list their “composite” 25-75% ranges they mean combined EBWR and math.
I cannot recall seeing any of those 10 schools on their admissions site or communication (school paper/alumni mag do not count as they can make reporting errors) make a composite claim on SAT. If you can provide an example, I could probably provide the “translation.”
@Pickmen It doesn’t matter how many other clickbait sites like Prepscholar use that method. Prepscholar’s method is inaccurate. Many students have high scores in one section and lower in another.
It seems to me that more colleges are including a composite range in their class of 2022 profile than did in past years. Be VERY careful to check whether the class profile score range applies to admitted or to enrolled students, as the admitted range is higher than enrolled. Some colleges report the admitted range, some the enrolled range, and a few schools report both. Many schools don’t report a composite range at all, and that is probably the case for most of the top 10.
In contrast, Common Data Set info is only for enrolled students (and only includes section scores, no SAT composite). Usually, sites like Prepscholar draw from the Common Data Sets in order to compare apples to apples (all enrolled), though there is a time lag. Unfortunately, most schools won’t post their 2018-19 Common Data Sets with class of 2022 stats until winter/spring. Class of 2022 was the first class with virtually all New Sat scores, whereas class of 2021 scores included Old scores concorded to New and then mixed in.
As far as I know, there is no school in the US with a composite 75th percentile at 1600 per their class of 2022 profile and no school with 75th percentile at 800 for both sections from the most recent Common Data Set (class of 2021). Only a few schools even get close.
Here is Duke’s class of 2022 profile, and they do report SAT composite middle 50% scores of 1490-1560 for admitted students. So, 75% number is not as high as OP’s post. https://admissions.duke.edu/images/uploads/process/Classof2022profileWEB.pdf
We don’t know what proportion of the 3,219 admitted students submitted SATs, nor do we know what proportion of these students enrolled at Duke (will have to wait for CDS, which won’t have composite number, just EBWR and Math). And as we know, enrolled test numbers typically are lower than admitted.
Thanks, this has been educational. It seems the information out there is a bit fuzzy with the very high end scoring both presented by colleges themselves and the test prep services. FWIT, there was a very interesting discussion couple months ago on CC in connection with Harvard suit in which it seems kids who score at 1600 were correlated with about a 30-40% admit rate in contrast to kids getting a 1550 who were had about 15% acceptance. While impossible to tell, it seems like that 50 point difference had an impact.
Not one on the list, but UIUC show the composite SAT for admitted students by college/school. It is very interesting to see the difference between colleges. The College of Engineering has a 25%-75% SAT range of 1430-1530. The College of Education is 1160-1350. A prospective engineer can really get a false sense of security if they only look at the University overall (1270-1480).
Northwestern 1440-1550 for class of 2022 admitted students.
Columbia 1460-1550 also for class of 2022 admitted students.
Johns Hopkins 1480-1550 for class of 2022 admitted students.
UChicago 1460-1550 for class of 2021, looks like for admitted students but the website is vague (profile also includes the entire range for all admitted students).
The remainder of the top 10 do not report a composite. Caltech only reports a composite in Old SAT numbers, for class of 2021 (sorry Caltech, but I think that’s sad, not to mention inconvenient for your current applicants, the third season with New SAT scores). Harvard doesn’t post a class profile; applicants need to dig for the Common Data Set and it won’t post the one with class of 2022 data until May.
@evergreen5 Not sure why they don’t have a 2022 Class Profile up. They probably forgot. If you are curious, you can probably email someone there and they will put it up. That’s what happened when I emailed them about current Common Data Set files a year ago.
For Class of 2021, it is likely that most of the SAT scores they got were Old SAT scores. My son’s were.
As far as I know, Northwestern doesn’t have stats for admitted students available to the public. Those numbers are for the enrolled.
@IWannaHelp A quick google of Northwestern and class profile turns up the 2022 profile.
https://admissions.northwestern.edu/documents/northwestern-class-of-2022-facts-and-figures.pdf “Admitted students middle 50% scores”
Interesting. But their 2017 stats for the enrolled stats were almost identical despite a slightly higher admit rate; the 75th percentile was even a tiny bit higher:
1420-1560
32-35
It’s rare the enrolled stats are higher than admitted (assuming no decrease in scores given the lower admit rate) but I guess it could happen.
@IWannaHelp When comparing 2021 and 2022 score ranges, keep in mind that class of 2021 included Old SAT scores mixed with New ones. In addition, it’s possible that the Old scores were concorded to New with the questionable concordance tables before being mixed together (as that is what the Common Data Set required at the time). In contrast, the class of 2022 ranges were virtually all New SAT scores.