Is this really a surprise any more? The bigger question is whether the US schools are going to do anything or are they totally addicted to the money the Chinese students bring in?
If about 6400 Chinese students were expelled from American universities because of either failing grades or cheating, that means only about 2.3% of Chinese students studying in the US were asked to leave for this reason. Without comparable numbers for American students, it’s difficult to draw any meaningful conclusions with respect to the prevalence of those things. Given the graduation rates at less selective American institutions, it seems likely that far more than 2.3% of native born students failed out.
There are about 300,000 Chinese students studying in the US. I read that 8000 were expelled for cheating or low grades.
I don’t know if these numbers are any worse than domestic numbers.
All I have to say after my D’s graduation is - OMG, the number of wealthy internationals there. Makes typical upper middle class look like pikers! One family had a bodyguard. One friend of D’s had her own photographer flown in who accompanied the family to take pictures all over campus the whole week. D and I joked that we could beat that, as she had a stable of photographers, since we all had iPhones!
About 60 students cheated in a math class with 280 students at Dartmouth thus past January
(http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/01/08/dartmouth/GN8oLJcgKj7R1nOoPNiLdL/story.html), a bit over 20% Want to make any sweeping generalizations based on that incident?
It seems about 75% of US college students admit on surveys to some form of cheating. (http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4826136)
Actually the Dartmouth cheating incident involved a class in Sports Ethics. Pretty pathetic.
Cheating is big business:
Cheating is big business - look at FIFA.
The numbers may be no worse than domestic numbers, but what is newsworthy is that China used to send to the US only her best and her brightest. Now we’re increasing getting more and more of this:
http://m.youtube.com/results?q=rich%20chinese%20students&sm=1
I am adamantly opposed to our state universities giving away so many spots to foreign students. Our tax dollars are being used to subsidize these students, not to mention in departments with limited slots, such as CS, Engineering or Business, it’s just so wrong to give away these slots to foreign students. Then our employers complaint that we don’t graduate enough domestic talent in these fields and lobby for more H1b visas for foreign students. It’s just plain wrong. At the UW close to 20% of the freshman class are now foreign, mostly from China or elsewhere in Asia. At Purdue, 18% of undergrads and 45% of grad students are international.
When state funding went down, instead of cutting cost, these public universities continue to allow cost to escalate, wasting it on worthless liberal causes such as “Diversity Department” or “Center for Equality” that bring zero benefit to students. Our public universities need to cut cost, and put a cap on foreign enrollment, no more than 5%, to ensure we graduate enough of our citizens for well paying jobs.
On the news, FBI is after 3 PhD students from USC from stolen technology from US companies. Do we need more of these type of people. I agree with posters, in the past, more than 10 years ago, it was mostly the best students. Not any more.
Don’t u have it backwards? Aren’t the full pay foreign students subsidizing the lower-tuition in-state students? Isn’t that the WHOLE POINT why public universities are admitting so many OOS & foreigners now-- because they bring money?
Post #11, I agree particularly for California. Not sure about other states.
This seems related to what is being discussed int his thread. http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/discussion/comment/18530331#Comment_18530331 Cheaters ande liars are the scurge of the earth. Don’t let the door hit them in the rear on their way out.
Thread titles should be changed. The article says 8K, not 6,400 are getting the boot.
The article said 80% of the 8000 were expelled for cheating.
But the title doesnt mention cheating- just the # that got booted. That # seems to be 8K
The schools should publish the names of the expeless so that it’s public knowledge. The news of that back in China would follow them for life. Either that or they will be instantly hired.
With the lack of morals this demonstrates, what to keep them from reapplying with new fake names and new fake credentials?
The first paragraph of your article, NoVADad:
It would be great if you update your thread title.