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As an employer who interviews numerous interns each year, it certainly does.</p>
<p>“As an employer who interviews numerous interns each year, it certainly does.”</p>
<p>And as an employer myself, I can say that in my corporation, it certainly doesn’t. Just goes to show the pitfalls of generalization, doesn’t it?</p>
<p>she got a 2.7 in a basic general business degree w/ IT. I mean, if it was engineering or astrophysics or something, she would be doing fine, but what does she expect with a mediocore major, poor GPA for said major, coming from a school w/ no reputation… and how does she get 70k??? </p>
<p>Someone said it’s 12k/yr - thats 48k and then I guess another 22k in the months she “could have been working” - yeah, sure. If I were the college I’d offer her a settlement of 100 bucks and see if she would take it.</p>
<p>Loveday…what kind of corporation do you own?</p>
<p>And…on a scale of 1 - 10…how impressed are you by a 2.7 GPA (with 10 being VERY impressed)</p>
<p>This is the problem with a system where anyone who pays their money can get a college degree. It’s become worthless.</p>
<p>“In short, this 2.7 GPA college grad should have her suit laughed out of court…”</p>
<p>And those with a gpa or 3.x shouldn’t? College career placement offices should be held liable for the unemployment of students whose gpas were 3.x? Nevermind the state of the economy, layoffs, declines in new hires and the multitude of other factors associated with unemployment? Does the liability extend to “employment” or to employment “within the field of study?” If the physics major isn’t placed in a position within that field, but can be placed in a clerk position at a local hardware store, what then? This is an exceedingly slippery slope.</p>
<p>Meanwhile… who’s at fault for the $20K, $40K, $60K in student loan debt the un- or under-employed student cannot repay?</p>
<p>^^I don’t think anyone is forced to take out a loan for higher education. Those types of decisions (financial) should be fully contemplated before accepting and enrolling once admitted. If a family or student cannot afford the financial responsibilites of a college education, then a more affordable option may need to be considered. Who’s at fault for the student loan debt? The student is at fault, in my opinion. Financial decisions should never be taken lightly and I don’t know of any college or university that is hiding the costs to attend and then forcing its students to sign onto student loan debt. Yes, this may sound harsh to many, but the reality is living within one’s means. This economic crisis should be proof of that statement!</p>
<p>And now any future employer is placed on notice that if prospective employee is ever disatisfied with the job, said employer is likely to be sued by said employee. Maybe we should pass on this one and hire the applicant with the 2.6 gpa.</p>
<p>I find the disparaging remarks about the 2.7 gpa a little offensive. DH graduated with a 2.8 (engineering) and he is one of the smartest people I know. He had five job offers coming out of college and has been employed for close to thirty years in a tough job in the nuclear power industry. There’s nothing dim or slack about him. </p>
<p>One of my kids had a horrible first semester due to circumstances beyong his control.
He has done fairly well since then but his gpa is still below 3.0. One horrible sem. can really wreck the gpa and climbing back out of that hole is tough.<br>
Something similiar could have happened to student in the article. </p>
<p>Blaming the school and expecting money for not finding a job is ridiculous. Calling someone a dim slacker because their gpa is less than 3.0 is just wrong.</p>
<p>GPA 2.7 is low. In current economic times, it is hard to find any job. Even people with decades of experience in a field have hard time. 2.7 is screaming big time slacker. If colleges started giving away 4.0’s to everybody, would this help? It is about time when people are taking personal responsibilities. It goes along with suing McDonald for fat hamburgs and hot coffee, tobaco industry… I have never seen anybody being forced hamburger into thier mouth, or cigarette or hot drink…or NOT studying hard at college after paying huge tuition. No, people force themselves to stupid behaviors and we all collectively end up paying for it. Winning law suit like that increases the price for hamburger… and colege tuition for everybody else. Are we under impression that businesses are printing money? I do not think so, they pass the costs down to consumers.</p>
<p>One more note. Colleges do not guarantee employment after graduation. If they did, they would be out of business. However, when emploers see 4.0, they can see that person is capable to work hard. I am at complete loss about grounds for this law suit.</p>
<p>Twenty three years ago I graduated from college with a 2.7. Glad to know it screamed “slacker” to potential employers. Somehow I still managed to get a job despite the depressed economic climate at the time.</p>
<p>Yes, Queen, but 23 yrs ago, the % of college grads was still lower than it is today.</p>
<p>I agree the “perfect attendance” is laughable. I placed this back to even our public school systems, where we now teach our children that they are all “special”. Cut me a break, so should she be promoted when she is the work place because of her perfect attendance? </p>
<p>What really irks me in this, is the fact that a quality lawyer actually took this case.</p>
<p>Also, as others have pointed out, she majored in a field that is what most professionals would call as a “DIME A DOZEN” from a mediocre university. We are not talking about her having a degree in electrical engineering with a core concentration in Japanese.</p>
<p>We are also not talking about a 22 yo. She is 27, when exactly will she take responsibility for her part in this situation. Any 18 yo gets that gpa’s matter, my 18 yo at college gets it, she at 23, 24, 25, 26, and 27 didn’t get it?</p>
<p>I interview about 20-30 people per year, for which I review about 150 applications. These usually are young people with very little work experience, most of them fresh out of college. I HAVE to apply certain criteria to select the candidates, and I can assure you, GPA is one of them. </p>
<p>GPA is always one of the questions in the interview, but more to judge how the candidate explains his/her performance. A 2.7 of a working student at a tough school with a rigorous course-load is much more impressive to me than a 3.2 of a spoiled kid, living on Daddy’s wallet, trying to ‘breeze’ through a party-college with minimal effort … I guess you get the picture. </p>
<p>I had to laugh and cry at the same time, reading this post, simply because it’s too ridiculous … but I guess that’s a result of our society with its sueing culture (how can you find a lawyer for such a case!!!) and its acceptance of mediocrity. Too many people think they have a ‘fundamental’ right for praise, just because they have a good attendance, and too few take actually pride in their work and try to deliver ‘a good job’, and not only ‘be present’.</p>
<p>I will concede that my 2.7 was not is a “dime a dozen degree from a mediocre university.” I just found slightly amusing the comment that 2.7=slacker.</p>
<p>I find it interesting that the people most willing to pass judgment on the 2.7 gpa haven’t been to colleges in decades.
2.7 is average. Nothing special, nothing horrible. The person who said you should be able to maintain a 3.5 gpa at all times either needs a serious reality check or only has experience with community colleges. If you have a 4.0 you either went to an easy school, one with grade inflation, or did nothing but study and probably don’t have any other skills employers look for (i.e. people skills).</p>
<p>The GPA doesn’t matter though, the lawsuit is ridiculous.</p>
<p>“Do you feel the career office is at fault when the 4.0 grad doesn’t get a job?”</p>
<p>Not necessarily, but in that case there isn’t a flashing neon alternative explanation for the student’s unemployment. It does reflect much more poorly on a school if its 4.0s are unemployed than if its 2.7s are unemployed. I am a career counselor myself, and I would have a lot of explaining to do if my 4.0 graduates had no jobs.</p>
<p>“how can you find a lawyer for such a case?”</p>
<p>I don’t think she had one. She was pro se. But you’d be amazed by the foolish waste-of-time lawsuits some lawyers file. I’ve seen lawyer work that was worse than this complaint.</p>
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Bravo. You sound like an excellent boss.</p>
<p>I understand that since grades have been a significant portion of a college kid’s life, most places consder them for entry level jobs. I currently work for a government agency, and it is different than most places I’ve worked. They supposedly strive for complete fairness and transparency. Since nobody knows every single university, it is difficult to compare GPA from school A in program B to GPA from school C in program D. </p>
<p>So the first step in the process of hiring engineers is a test - an actual test of relevant technical knowledge. Calculators and all. It’s not tough, but it’s surprising how many applicants with supposedly stellar records fail this simple gatekeeper. THen there’s a writing exercise, which is evaluated by a team. Then a preliminary interview to get on a list, and finally a position specific interview and reference evaluation. I think it’s a fair way to do things.</p>
<p>Sorry to ramble on off topic. I’ve got a plane flight in a couple hours and I’m bored.</p>
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<p>This thread had to go off topic. It’s not like anyone with any sense at all actually agrees with the lawsuit itself. We must find other tangents to discuss. ;)</p>
<p>This lawsuit is about a for a profit school taking advantage of people who are not prepared for college and offering them a “college degree” when it is really a business tech or vocational school. This school costs a lot of money and hypes itself as a “college” and takes advantage of people who don’t know better. In essence it takes advantage of people with a relatively low IQ. Or people who don’t have engaged parents who are college grads themselves. It puts up signs on subways targeting the less than intelligent portion of our population stating that they can live the life of a college graduate and not to worry about the funding because they can provide loans. Loans that add up, but who cares b/c youll be a college grad! In reality the school is training them to be a secretary. The school is slimy and there is no way to stop that profit machine from taking advantage of the IQ challenged, except to sue them. That’s what this is about.</p>