<p>D submitted 27 schools from AMCAS. One month after her submission she got flood of secondaries. With GPA 3.5 and MCAT 33 she got some better schools sending her secondaries including Tufts, Tulane, GWU, Emory :P and UCD. I am not sure if those schools send out secondaries automatically. We did expect Rush and Commonwealth as target though.</p>
<p>Of those you listed, Emory and UCD are the only ones that screen. From what I’ve read, most screening standards are fairly low (3.0 cgpa), so she should probably expect that most schools send her secondaries. </p>
<p>OP, other than a handful of schools (e.g. Vandy, UCSF, Mayo, …) if you are willing to send them $$ to take your secondary, they are more than happy to accept it. The real test is interview invites. For example, GWU will take in well over $1 million in secondary fees from ~14,000 applicants, the vast majority of which have zero chance of attending. 
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<p>I thought I read some where else that the secondaries are the money makers for the med school. I also understand GWU is 1% acceptance rate, if so why the accepted students did not have high gpa and mcat?</p>
<p>They want your fees…</p>
<p>…BTW D. got rejection from U of Chicago few hours after she has paid her fees.<br>
I honestly respect schools that ingnore your application if they have no intention to invite you to interview than those that send secondaries and reject you right away. D. has experience with both kinds. U of Michigan just ignored her application, my hat is off to them. For reference, D’s stats were 3.98 / 35, she applied to 8 Med. Schools, accepted at 4, couple were in top 20s at the time. Boy, it seems to be ages ago, she is applying to residencies in September.</p>
<p>Wake screens, UNC screens, Vandy screens, Cornell, Yale, Harvard, Columbia, Penn, Hopkins, Duke, Temple, Mt Siniai, Dartmouth don’t screen. Don’t remember if Michigan screens for OOS, Univ of Wash used to screen for OOS. So yes plum is right most just want your fees…and son also got the quick turn-around rejection from Chicago, just hours after secondary submission…same day he received his interview invite from Harvard and UNC!</p>
<p>And seeing those acceptance rates from Georgetown and GWU and a few others he did not bother to apply. Wake also has numbers like that but they do give preference to NC residents so he did apply there, passed the screen to interview and acceptance.</p>
<p>Kat</p>
<p>I think it is ridiculous for schools not to respond at all to applicants who fill out and submit secondaries. It is disrespectful to not communicate at all and keep applicants hanging on for 10 months or more. I fail to see how this is better than giving applicants a decision, although U of C’s way of rejecting after an unseemly small amount of time isn’t much better. </p>
<p>I personally like schools that screen for secondaries and prevent applicants from wasting their time and money on secondaries when they have no shot at an interview. </p>
<p>U of Michigan accepts huge number of OOS, primarily from CA though. I know that they are not particularly fond of OH kids. Was not a big deal for my D., she had good choices. Overall tons of kids from CA are getting interview invites in Midwest, D. met a lot of them during her interviews.</p>
<p>Believe me, it is much BETTER to " …not communicate at all and keep applicants hanging on" forever than pay the fee (I believe that it was $90) and get rejected few hours later. I call the second a real disrespect, while the first one is about half-disrespect (sorry for new terminology)</p>
<p>Now she is gotten tones of secondaries and each one asks her to customize the essay, she had to work day and night for it. Did you or your kid replied to every secondaries? Is LizzyM a real good tool to prioritize?</p>
<p>BTW why DO schools respond so much slower? We have not even received one from them. She applied a few, just in case.</p>
<p>DO schools are slower because their application season lasts longer-- so less urgency to respond quickly/send out secondaries. I was going to say the DO start interviewing later–but that’s not true since some on SDN are already reporting having multiple DO school IIs.</p>
<p>D1 and D2 completed & returned all secondaries received within 3-10 days of receiving them.</p>
<p>LizzyM is NOT a good tool to use when deciding which to prioritize, unless you’re using it to identify match schools. I would tell your D to identify the schools she feels she’s most likely to get accepted to and respond to those first. </p>
<p>Son did most of the secondaries under 2 weeks. He had 24 applications out all MD schools. He was working at the time and had summer classes but said they were not too difficult! I was NOT his proof reader on those, he left that up to his undergrad friends from his ivy…his fellow alum really helped out with proofing, hosting all over the country, pick up and drop offs and great advice on each med school. They were the ones to help him prioritize which schools and why. Made a huge difference to him. And made a difference when he finally had to make a decision from his accepted schools. Same was true for the b-schools and why.</p>
<p>Kat</p>
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As S is CA native and ended freshman year with GPAs below 3.2, he really had no choice but to complete every secondary. He did receive several and they were grueling. I think one had 6 or 7 short essay questions? Although sometimes the questions were very similar from secondary to secondary, trying to take say a max 600 character response in one and fit it into say a max 350 characters response in another was agonizing for him. </p>
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<a href=“how medical schools pick applicants : | Student Doctor Network”>http://■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■/threads/how-medical-schools-pick-applicants.1085339/</a>
read posts # 35, 36, especially 37, 38, and especially 43</p>
<p>in post 37, I’d guess the “first blush guestimate of whether you are in the ballpark” is a way to describe a LizzyM score. But as the post suggests a first blush guestimate doesn’t take into account things like personal statements, LORs, secondaries, etc which when considered by an adcom might the reason(s) that an applicant actually gets an interview. </p>
<p>As close to 3 out of every 5 applicants get rejected, I think that these posts suggest if you get secondary you not only have to fill them out to maximize one’s chances but also do well on interview. Once D has acceptances is when prioritizing comes in.</p>
<p>Good luck to your D.</p>
<p>“As close to 3 out of every 5 applicants get rejected,”</p>
<p>I thought most of the medical schools have sub 5% acceptance rate. So the rejection rate must be much higher than 3 out of 5, once you get interview, then the chances get much higher.</p>
<p>Thank you for your responses. And she really needs some luck.</p>
<p>According to AAMC, in year 2013, there were 48,014 applicants with 20,055 students actually starting med school. So for students stating in 2013, 58.2% (almost 3 out of 5) were not accepted anywhere.</p>
<p><a href=“https://www.aamc.org/data/facts/”>https://www.aamc.org/data/facts/</a>
Table 1</p>
<p>What’s even scarier is that in 2014, by the end of Match Week, 528 U.S. M.D. graduates did not have a residency position. So although schools are expanding class size and/or new schools are being built the number of residency positions has been capped since 1997. (Residencies as I understand it are funded by Medicare). So unless Congress lifts the cap, they’ll be even more unhappy new graduates facing a bleak future. Although it varies from state to sate, in CA you can’t even get a med license until you have completed a year of residency, so even bleaker. </p>
<p>@artloversplus The 3 out of 5 refers to students not getting in anywhere, it’s not an average rejection rate per school. While most schools have sub 5% acceptance rate, around 40% of applicants get in somewhere. </p>
<p>In the thread on SDN, a self proclaimed “med school admin” who screens candidates said:</p>
<p>"Everyone has their personal preference.
My first glance includes name, school, gpa, MCAT and a brief assessment of their ability to follow simple instructions. I then proceed to the secondary, followed by the primary application, ending with the LOR’s.
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<p>Which I will refer to his post as #48 in the following link"
<a href=“how medical schools pick applicants : | Student Doctor Network”>http://■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■/threads/how-medical-schools-pick-applicants.1085339/</a></p>
<p>If so, the UG school does matter in med school decisions.</p>
<p>“58.2% (almost 3 out of 5) were not accepted anywhere.” - This number seems to be average over many years. It has been assumed that only about 43% are accepted, so 41.5% is close enough.
If this indeed is true that “Residencies as I understand it are funded by Medicare”, than the future is bleak since Medicare spending will be cut more and more because of new law. No chance at Congress lifting cap, unless the funding is supplemented by other resources. </p>
<p><a href=“https://www.aamc.org/newsroom/newsreleases/374000/03212014.html”>https://www.aamc.org/newsroom/newsreleases/374000/03212014.html</a></p>
<p>Residency funding is mainly through Medicare and has been capped since 1997. I do know that some programs in high cost of living areas supplement residents. As example, UCSF provide residents with an extra $730 per month </p>