I’m correcting my own statement above, to read: According to the HuffPo article, men attempted to rape 20% of the freshmen women on campus…
Can @Data10 or someone else please clarify something for me with respect to the original data set. The numbers don’t add up. For example: in the years from 14 to freshman year of college the numbers show 13.3% attempted rape and 6.0% completed rape. Then it says the combined attempted and completed rape numbers are 15.4%. Why is it not 19.3% (13.3+6.0)? Did they take out women who answered yes to both and just count them as one?
I also don’t understand @Dstark 's questioning the 1 in 5 comment. If you add up the numbers for pre-college and the 1st year of college you get almost 1 in 5 for completed rapes and less than 1 in 3 for attempted or completed rapes. Am I misreading something in the numbers?
@northwesty, I would have thought this was obvious, but apparently I have to spell it out:
Believing that the average freshman woman has a 10% chance of being raped is not at all the same as believing one’s own freshman daughter has a 10% chance of being raped. For example, the women with high chances of being raped are the ones who drink a lot. So if a parent’s daughter is not a drinker (or the parent thinks she isn’t) then the parent is not going to think the daughter faces the average risk of rape.
I don’t either. Apparently he thinks that since some rapists are unsuccessful at completing their attempts at rape, we should ignore them when assessing campus rape risk.
Because some unlucky young women were raped in one incident and then in a separate incident had an attempted rape.
If the risk of rape/attempted rape were evenly distributed among all women, the attempted rape rate were 13.3% and the completed rape rate were 6.0%, then we would expect that less than 1% of women would have experienced both rape and attempted rape. But almost 4% are in that unfortunate group. That shows that some women are at much higher risk, while other women are at much lower risk.
This is an older article form USA Today and I meant to dig alittle deeper into the CDC study, but I think there are some interesting points brought up about drinking, sex and coercion…and it happens “to” both sexes. I suspect “sexual coercion” is an interesting component of all of this and something I have witnessed numerous times buy both sexes. But I can see why sexual coercion can lead to regret sex/or let’s call it rape sex. The article is correct that where this will play out is at the colleges as many of the lawsuits right now have an element of coercion in them and not always males coercing females. The article touches also on the fact that parents simply would not send their daughter to college if the statistics were believable.
@TV4caster, certainly some women who were raped likely foiled rape attempts against them as well. Not all unsuccessful rape attempts would be against unraped women.
Projecting much, @Northwesty? A poster flat out tells you that they would send a daughter to a school even if rape numbers are that high, yet you say that parents sending kids to college “proves” that “none of you” believe the rape numbers are actually that high. Seems that someone should take a logic course.
Lol. Thanks for proving my points Bay. 
What points, dstark? Why so obtuse?
Bay, I am going to write something very easy to understand. 
Let’s say there is a school where 15 percent of women have experienced attempted rape and 10 percent of the women have experienced completed rapes.
Then you say, I don’t believe 15 percent of the women were raped.
I don’t either.
Nobody said 15 percent of the women were raped.
@northwesty, I can only speak for myself and my H. We believe the statistics to be high enough for concern for her particular school – are they the exact numbers published? Maybe, give or take some on either side to account for error. But our approach has been to attempt to reduce those numbers (at least for her), by educating her on what is transpiring on college campuses. And that in itself is a very depressing undertaking. In that process we, and especially I, have to tread a very fine line to insure that her “take away” is not that all men are “jerks” and are to be mistrusted or avoided.
When it comes to the men in her life, my D has been surrounded by, in my very biased opinion, the “best of the best.” But that in some ways makes her even more vulnerable because she naturally assumes that all men will treat her in the same manner as her father, brother, grandfather and cousins. The dismantling of that notion is a difficult process for H and I. And it’s maddening to me that it is necessary.
In addition to educating her we’ll see to it that she has a fully underwritten Uber account and we’ll file the ridiculously stupid amount of paperwork that is required for her to legally carry mace/pepper spray in that jurisdiction. We’ll also have her male cousins who all attend a neighboring university talk to her in their own terms about what is going on.
And yes, while we are assuming some risk, all these things are preferable to us than suggesting that she turn and run away. I hope the message we are sending her is that we trust in her ability to manage herself.
I’m underwhelmed by your “points,” dstark.
@dstark I am still confused. The data from the study you linked to when you started this thread had the following numbers for completed rapes, not attempted rapes:
6.0% completed forcible rapes before college started
9.0% completed incapacitated rapes before college
5.2% completed forcible rapes during freshman year
7.1% completed incapacitated rapes during freshman year
27.3% becomes the percentage of women who have been raped by the end of their freshman year (according to this study). That is actually more like 1 in 4 and not 1 in 5. Maybe that is what you were objecting to 
Here’s some context about the level of risk that we all have to deal with for our kids.
Chance of being murdered in NYC in one year – 1 in 20,000. I’d think most parents sending their kid to a school in NYC would worry about that.
Chance of dying in a car crash in one year. 1 in 5,000. We definitely worry about this.
Chance of a 20 year old U.S. woman dying in one year from all causes. 1 in 2,000. Much higher than I would have guessed.
Chance of being murdered in San Pedro Sula, Honduras (the most violent city on Earth) in one year. 1 in 530. Yikes!!!
Chance of being raped as a U.S. female freshman college student. 1 in 8 supposedly.
I don’t think any of us would consider sending our kids to San Pedro Sula under any circumstances. But we all willingly sign up to send our daughters off to co-ed colleges to face that level of rape risk???
I can sleep at night because while I know there’s a risk, no way do I believe that the risk is nowhere near that level. The behavior of college-sending parents convinces me that they don’t believe it either. Right or wrong, no one believes this. They can’t.
@northwesty I think the answer lies in the fact that a kid going to San Pedro Sula has little control over their odds of becoming a statistic. The kids we send to school do have some control if they follow the procedures that we teach them, like not getting completely wasted; watching their drink at all times; travel with someone, etc.
I would send my kid to SPS if I knew that she was travelling with someone and was going to minimize her exposure (maybe an armed guard), or by going straight to a secure location and staying inside until she left.
Those are the types of things you can do to insulated yourself somewhat from the violence. The same thing goes for sending our daughters to colleges.
Yes, there are actions that can be taken to insulate yourself, but why should a girl even have to do that in the first place? It really bothers me that girls even have to worry about this, when we could instead just teach our sons not to commit sexual assault in the first place.
@northwesty see my post #510 and:
I guess some people are more willing than others to try and manage risk. Some might just say “I am never going to live in NYC.” I lived in NYC for 15 years and never had a problem - not a one. If you asked me where do I feel the safest, I would answer NYC with people everywhere.
I also think there are environments where managing risk might be very difficult. Your example of San Pedro Sulu might be one of those places - don’t know much about it but sounds like one would be dodging bullets daily. Noting one can really do in those circumstances. And one could easily give up a trip to San Pedro Sulu and not have it really have any bearing on one’s future. But what if your D’s chosen school had the best program in her area of interest? I think giving that up could/would? adversely affect her future employment prospects and also be a loss of educational opportunity for her. Different consequences for avoiding those 2 environments.
@sahar1811 I agree! Unfortunately, it is for the same reasons that we teach our kids not to kill, rob, assault, etc but a substantial percentage still do 
Even though all crime is inevitable, it just irks me how prevalent rape is here compared to countries with comparable levels of development.
“I lived in NYC for 15 years and never had a problem - not a one. If you asked me where do I feel the safest, I would answer NYC with people everywhere.”
1 in 20,000 is a risk that folks worry about but can handle. I feel safe in NYC too.
If they told you there was a 1 in 8 chance of your kid’s plane crashing, what would you do?