A question to parents

<p>Hello! I am a second semester student at a state college, and I'm really not happy with the way this first year of college has been going. I feel my biggest issue is motivation. First semester I didn't do well, at all. I ended up with a 2.0 and I stopped going to my math class completely around halfway through the semester. This semester, I am doing even worse. I have already dropped two classes. Now I only have 9 credits, but have somehow missed around 1/3 of the classes I haven't dropped yet. I can't seem to motivate myself to study or even attend classes anymore. I'm failing college, and there are no signs of improvment.</p>

<p>I have been doing research, and I want to take a gap year to try and collect myself and maybe find motivation, and then come back with a clean slate. I've been doing research, and it seems that a gap year can help in my situation. As a side note, my girlfriend and I are visiting Japan for a month this summer. I've also been researching something called the "Global 30" program, which is just a way to study at a Japanese university for 4 years. I want to do this, EXTREMELY badly. However, I did not apply this year because I was fearful of the entrance exams. This is because the number accepted is extremely small. On top of my interest in Japan and studying there, I am also interested in joining the US Navy. I am worried about about test scores for joining the Navy as well, however.</p>

<p>If you managed to get anything from that rant, I commend you. I'm just extremely scatterbrained because I'm failing college and it's just now starting to sink in. What I'm really trying to ask is this: is a gap year bad/acceptable so long as I take advantage of it? I would work 40 hours a week, study for Japanese college entrance exams, learn on my own time, retake my SATs, and apply for the Global 30 program schools when the time comes around. And, if I didn't happen to get accepted into a Global 30 program, I would join the Navy. Also, if I do continue to lack motivation throughout the Gap year, I would join the Navy regardless. </p>

<p>As a parent, if I came up to you and asked to take a gap year, but proposed my (confusing) plan to you, and promised to stick with it, would you be accepting of my request? I'm sorry this is such a long and confusing read, I just feel the need to tell my dad soon, and am extremely nervous and scatterbrained. And thank you for reading it all :D</p>

<p>You’re not really talking about a gap year, which takes place between finishing high school and starting college. You’re really talking about dropping out. That’s fine but it’s not a gap year.</p>

<p>With a 2.0 from your first semester (as I understand it), you may already be on academic probation. If you fail your courses for the current semester, you may well be academically dismissed anyway so it will not be a choice to leave school. </p>

<p>I’m not sure what exactly you are wanting to ask your father. You don’t need his permission to drop out of school, work or do something else. However, he may not be willing to give you money or support you, and that is his prerogative. Frankly, the Japan plan does not sound realistic at all. However, if you are interested in the Navy, it is a viable alternative to going to college at this time. You do not need anyone’s permission to enlist.</p>

<p>First of all, you really do want to finish your current semester in good academic standing, so that you can return more easily after withdrawing. If you leave on academic probation or are dismissed due to poor academic performance, your ability to return is much more limited. Check the policies at your current school.</p>

<p>If you are having trouble concentrating, experiencing scattered thoughts, skipping class and failing in school–and you haven’t had this trouble before in high school, this could be a sign of depression/anxiety or another mental disorder. Is there a counselor at your school that you can talk to? Considering your performance this school year, it doesn’t seem likely that you’d be able to work 40 hours a week and study at the same time with much success. You need to get yourself back on track, but you should try to find out exactly what is wrong that is causing your poor performance before you move on to something else.</p>

<p>You have it backwards. You are not scatterbrained because you are failing. You are failing because you are scatterbrained. You need to understand why you stopped going to classes. You need to go to the remaining classes.</p>

<p>If you were my child I would not be willing to spend any more money to send you to any more schools. You aren’t even trying to pass.</p>

<p>Tough love-Take the gap year and get it together. Your freshman year is already going to haunt your GPA, don’t let dropping out haunt your life.</p>

<p>I agree that you need to take a year off - call it whatever you want - seriously there is really no such formal thing as a gap year…it’s a year off somewhere between something. It’s really not this mystical time. But seriously you need to buckle down and focus on today…and tomorrow…and the day after – right now – and get this semester finished in a big way with what you have left to salvage. The year off will give you countless hours to contemplate the what next and work on that. If you don’t think you have the fortitude to buckle down on your own then see if you can get a counseling appointment. Have you talked to your adviser at all since you landed at your college? They can also be invaluable and you can probably get into see them quicker than the counseling center. </p>

<p>If you were mine and you told me you want to take a year off,I’d probably say that was fine but I would expect you to have something planned and I would probably ask you where you planned on living during that year so at the very least figure that out. Plus if you came to me without a plan I’d be asking you how you are going to afford a trip to Japan. That sounds harsh, but for our kids we were tough…“go to college, get it done with a minimum B average and get it done in four years and we’ll pay. If not, well then step into the real world”… is what we told them.</p>

<p>First, you should be honest with youself. What you are talking about is leaving college. Perhaps you will go back but perhaps not. So this isn’t a Gap year. </p>

<p>You don’t mention your parents financial situation. Would they be willing to support you while you find yourself in Japan? Do you have student loans that will come due in the meantime? </p>

<p>I can only say what I would personally do. I would love and support my son emotionally. I would also hand him the Help Wanted’s.</p>

<p>Hey there,</p>

<p>I don’t know you, and I have no expertise in these matters since I don’t even have a college student, but there’s something in your post here that makes me concerned. I really think you ought to go to see a mental health professional at your school as soon as you can. </p>

<p>You don’t really sound like an unmotivated person to me at all. But the way you are describing feeling “scatterbrained” and how you are unable to get yourself to go to class does make me worry that maybe you are suffering from manic depression or some other illness. It is a common time for such illnesses to appear, especially for young men.</p>

<p>That being said, I see nothing wrong with taking time off - - maybe college just isn’t for you. Your parents may be very disappointed, and you need to be prepared for that. You don’t need their permission, but if you do need their financial support, I think you may want to tell them about your academic struggles now before it is too late for them to help you. </p>

<p>I know if you were my child and you did well enough in high school to go to college - - I’d be very concerned about you and want to help you get back on a good track, whatever that track might be. </p>

<p>Good luck, and I do hope you get to pursue your dreams!</p>

<p>Hey there,</p>

<p>I don’t know you, and I have no expertise in these matters since I don’t even have a college student, but there’s something in your post here that makes me concerned. I really think you ought to go to see a mental health professional at your school as soon as you can. </p>

<p>You don’t really sound like an unmotivated person to me at all. But the way you are describing feeling “scatterbrained” and how you are unable to get yourself to go to class does make me worry that maybe you are suffering from manic depression or some other illness. It is a common time for such illnesses to appear, especially for young men.</p>

<p>That being said, I see nothing wrong with taking time off - - maybe college just isn’t for you. Your parents may be very disappointed, and you need to be prepared for that. You don’t need their permission, but if you do need their financial support, I think you may want to tell them about your academic struggles now before it is too late for them to help you. </p>

<p>I know if you were my child and you did well enough in high school to go to college - - I’d be very concerned about you and want to help you get back on a good track, whatever that track might be. </p>

<p>Good luck, and I do hope you get to pursue your dreams!</p>

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<p>This is a very good reason to try to salvage as much of this semester as you can. Even if you don’t want to return to your current college, it will be easier for you to return to higher ed eventually if you do not have a dismissal on your transcript.</p>

<p>There are many people who attend college for a year or so and find it’s not for them. It’s not a sign of some deep flaw or failure. But you should be honest with yourself about the reasons why you aren’t succeeding and try to address them in your future endeavors. Every alternative you mentioned would require an ability to show up prepared and on time. In your shoes, I would put aside thoughts and dreams of Japan or the Navy for the time being and just focus for the next 8 weeks on passing my classes.</p>

<p>It isn’t pretty, but not all graduating high schoolers are ready for college immediately. Some are never ready. Many people have happy successful lives without a college degree.
But, for those that do want the training, learning, and opportunities that can go with a degree, motivation is certainly a strong factor. Sometimes paying one’s own way is a strong motivator. Sometimes experiencing life without a degree can be a motivating factor to go back.
Don’t give up just because you may not be ready for college right now.</p>

<p>I strongly suggest that you go to your school’s counseling services NOW. If you are suffering from depression and/or anxiety–and it sounds to me like you might be–lashing yourself for your lack of motivation, procrastination, etc will get you precisely NOWHERE.</p>

<p>I’ve been there/done that.</p>

<p>Posting here can be your first attempt at reaching out for a lifeline. Take the next step.</p>

<p>That said, if you can salvage something from this semester, it will only help you. But your first step needs to be getting help. (That help may turn out to be psychiatric, medical, organizational, or something else.) Please. Do it.</p>

<p>To be honest, I would not pay for another year of college for you. You have had two semesters to get yourself together. You would get a job or join the navy because you would not have any other choice.</p>

<p>Who would finance the Global 30 program? </p>

<p>[Finance</a> | Preparation for Life in Japan | Student Life | Study in Japan(Japanese university) | Global30](<a href=“http://www.uni.international.mext.go.jp/life/preparation/finance/]Finance”>http://www.uni.international.mext.go.jp/life/preparation/finance/)</p>

<p>I agree with a couple of the other posters. Kudos for waking up and realizing you’re in trouble and something needs to change. :slight_smile: Kudos for having dreams of academia in far off lands and all kinds of wonderful things. :slight_smile: HOWEVER, I would get my act together in the here and now before I ventured out too far. You dropped the ball. You need to find out why that is so that you don’t just keep fumbling into the next stage of your life. See a counselor and talk to him/her about what’s going on with you. The lack of focus is something that needs to be addressed.</p>

<p>If I was your parent, I’d give you a big hug, try to help you get in to see a counselor and would NOT sink money into any future plans until we got the present figured out. Not college, not Japan, nothing. And frankly, I wouldn’t encourage the Navy for just this moment (maybe later :slight_smile: ) and I would discourage you from running right out and finding a job. If you were mine, I’d focus on fixing the “scatter-brained” thing FIRST and I’d put ya to work around my house. I have lots of things that need doing.</p>

<p>THEN we could talk about the next thing and start slow.</p>

<p>What if you go to Japan and experience some of the same things you have this year? The consequences may be multiplied. What if you join the Navy and you’re having some “scatter-brained” issues. How understanding do you think they’re going to be about that? Just breathe for a minute and figure out why you’ve decided not to go to class and how you got into this situation.</p>

<p>First off, this is not the end of the world.
Second, have you seriously thought about studying in Japan and what that entails? Have you taken Japanese in HS? In order to get into a Japanese University, there are tests that are given to foreigners to assess their Japanese ability - speaking, writing, reading, … everything.
It usually takes ~ 3 or 4 years of preparation before someone can take that test and pass it, but since you didn’t mention what your language ability was, I thought I’d throw that out there.
There is an option of going to a Japanese University that teaches classes in English , like Doshisha and a few others, but the issue of $$$ enters - its not cheap.
The choice of majors is also limited.
I think you NEED to talk to your counselor at school and do some serious soul searching.
The solution to your problems may not lie outside of the country but within yourself.</p>

<p>I agree with the other parents who encourage you to buckle down and finish this semester strong. You are only taking nine hours - that is roughly equivalent to a part time job. Figure out a way to be successful in this endeavor.</p>

<p>If you do take a gap year/drop out/whatever you call it, you should realize that the statistics for students in this situation are heavily against ever completing a degree.</p>

<p>I wonder how you did in high school? Were you a scatterbrained, unmotivated student there too?</p>

<p>Honestly, college is not for everybody. I never went, and I made a successful life and career. It was the harder way to do it, for sure, and if you can do college you should - but it is not impossible to have a great life if you don’t go. </p>

<p>I was not “college material” (except I had the brains.) I wasn’t the kind who could sit in a classroom and study; I just don’t learn that way. I needed a lot more freedom than traditional schools offer. I’m a reader and always have five books open - been that way my whole life. As soon as somebody starts to lecture? I mentally drift away. It didn’t help that I always knew a lot of the stuff they were teaching, and so I got very bored and never got to the stuff I didn’t know. (They didn’t have gifted programs back in my day and location, which is what I needed.) I wasn’t able to sit there and do projects I wasn’t interested in, even when I tried. Ultimately, I was the definition of unmotivated, and haven’t changed that much mentally. That, by the way, is not a quality I’m proud of and as I’ve gotten older I’ve been able to manage it better, but it’s never gone away entirely.</p>

<p>My older son takes after me and didn’t go to college, he went to trade school and it took him a couple years after high school graduation to go. My younger son is a Jr in HS with a 4.6 GPA and Ivy dreams. People are different, and people learn differently.</p>

<p>So if this is a pattern with you - if you were like this in high school too, than maybe this method of learning is not for you. No shame in that. If it’s not a pattern, look further.</p>

<p>As for your plans, they seem unrealistic to me, a little. If you are having trouble in an American college, you are unlikely to have an easier time at a Japanese one. The novelty will wear off quick and then it’s going to be very difficult surrounded by a foreign culture, with a language you don’t know well and expectations that would be difficult for everybody. But I am not sure what the program is so take it with a grain of salt.</p>

<p>The Navy is a valid career choice but you haven’t said what you are interested in or why. What would your major in college be and how does that translate to the Navy? Why do you think the Navy is something you want to do? Are you patriotic, interested in mechanics… or just like the ocean? Where do you see yourself in 10 years? In 20? Think about these things as they will lead you to the right path.</p>

<p>It is impossible to say how your parents are going to react. I promise that they know you and it may not be as much of a surprise to them as you think it will be. The fact that you are coming up with a plan is a good idea but maybe your plan is not so realistic. How about a job? Where are you going to live? Are you thinking you’ll stay with them? For how long? Until when? What if they say no? What would your ideal situation look like, and what would your worst case look like? </p>

<p>You owe it to your parents to tell them what is going on - college isn’t cheap and they are not getting value for their money. First, go talk to your college counselor, immediately. See if you can get those grades up until the semester is open. Those who said you should leave things so you can come back later are right. Prove to yourself that you can do this, even if unmotivated, because I promise you, life is full of things you must do that you won’t feel motivated to do.</p>

<p>Maybe counseling can test you for a learning disability (only if you think that is an issue - I certainly don’t agree with the poster who suggested “manic depression,” but if you were an A student in high school and suddenly can’t go to class or make decent grades, that is indicative of a problem, whether it be lack of interest, depression, immaturity or just boredom. It doesn’t have to be a major mental illness; maybe a typical college is just not the way you learn.</p>

<p>Once you talk to your counselor at school and find out specifics about leaving, sit down and tell your parents what is going on and what you are going to do. Be as specific as possible: “I am dropping out of college for the near future because XXX. I hope you will let me stay with you for X months until I get on my feet. I will pay you rent/cook dinner/do my own cleaning/follow your rules. I plan to get a job, save my money and then apply to the Japanese school. If they reject me, I will join the Navy and become a XXX. In X months, I should have enough money for an apartment and be able to support myself. If you won’t let me stay, I will sleep on X’s couch. I’m sorry I didn’t finish college and I know you are disappointed; my counselor said xxx. I am not giving up college dreams forever, just right now, I am unmotivated and uninterested and doing poorly and I don’t want to waste anymore money. I wish to try a different path.”</p>

<p>Of course, fill that in with your own plans and what you learn from what you hope to do - but you can’t expect that they will be happy. But if you talk to them with a plan, with maturity, letting them know that you have thought about it carefully and won’t put too much of a burden on them, they will be more accepting. </p>

<p>It is much easier to support yourself and make money with a college education. But, truthfully, it is not the ONLY way, just the most valued, and many of us forget that. That, of course, depends on your major - you don’t want a physician without college. :slight_smile: It’s possible that six months doing some stupid job might make college look good and motivate you. But, I think something is missing - either the way you learn or perhaps what you are studying, and you should think long and hard about what that is. </p>

<p>At this point, it’s no longer about what your parents think. It’s about how you are going to manage your future, which is, of course, what they are concerned about.</p>

<p>Good luck to you.</p>

<p>I’d add that to a parent, a “plan” is different than “wishes”. A child merely saying “I’ll do better next semester! I’ll try harder” has little weight with a parent that has been paying bills for what a parent sees as little results. A plan however, would be items the student can document to show how he intends to make his wishes a reality.</p>