<p>^^LOL hahaha, so i guess both me and futureENT were wrong. The kids in this program are not bypassing classes, but they are not taking full length classes. I guess the 8 week program just teaches them the fundamental aspects of each subject that they need for medical school.</p>
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<p>^^^ I think that program is only open for WashU kids, but that program is really hard to get into as well. The program requires at least a 3.8 gpa and a 36 mcat score (both of which are really hard to do). But if you do accept that scholarship, I THINK you are barred from applying to other medical schools. Kids who have those types of stats USUALLY have great stats at other top medical schools…</p>
<p>I think we all trust that medical schools know what they are doing. In fact, I would not be surprised that the future MCATs may include history and philosophy as the 4th and 5th subjects. </p>
<p>Seriously, those who are interested in specialties should definitely apply to Mt. Sinai because you just may have fewer competitors during the matching process if the report is accurate.</p>
<p>This may surprise a few people: “We can’t overestimate the value of a Classics major. Check this out: according to Association of American Medical Colleges, students who major or double-major in Classics have a better success rate getting into medical school than do students who concentrate solely in biology, microbiology, and other branches of science. Crazy, huh?” Princeton Review</p>
<p>A few comments from someone who teaches a surgical specialty:
Not taking step II until after the match. Those of us on committees for the surgical specialties know what you are doing. It is looked on as an act of cowardice. There is someone out there who did take step II. We just gave him or her your residency slot.
Humanities majors can write and express themselves.
Humanities majors are different and therefore interesting.
Organic chemistry is rarely used in surgery.
A good physiology course should let a student know if they want to do medicine.
That being said:
Medicine is based on the biology of the individual as BlueDevilMike said.
Taking medicine may be a long route to get to work on social factors, but there are doctors who do it, E.g. WHO docs working on water problems.
This path is suitable for a few individuals, but most should go the traditional route.
In addition I would like to see some physicians go to business school so we can take back control of medicine.</p>
<p>please do not “guess” anything about me. I looked it up and yes i know that they take 8 weeks of physics and O-chem but that in no way compares to the 32 weeks of o-chem and physics a regular student goes through.</p>
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<p>your right many countries dont, but the countries that dont require undergraduate work are typically the countires that have the 6 year medical school program that a student enters after high school and they still have to take introductory courses For example my Dad went to medical school in the middle east and this is what he told me they did in those 6 years. reminder this was about 20 years ago but my cousin recently graduated from the same medical school and he tells me that most the same except for some minor changes</p>
<p>Year 1- G-chem, Biostatistics, Calculus 1, Physics, Psychology, cell and molecular biology, Compostion and literature 1
Year 2- O-chem, Intro physiology, Intro anatomy, microbiology, neurobiology, biochemistry 1, compostion and literatre 2
Year 3- Pathology, Pharmacology 1, parasitology, Immunology, Biochemistry 2, embryology
Year 4- A LOT of Pathophysiology and Pharmacology 2
Year 5- Clincal Rotations
Year 6- Clincial Rotations</p>
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<p>my thoughts exactly</p>
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this is not a question whether I can read or you can read but a question of what we think of the matter.</p>
<p>I don’t understand why people are being so hard on this program. From all the controversy you’d think the doctors coming out of it are killing patients left and right…</p>
<p>I am not sure about the existence of similiar medical school programs, but I do know about a fantastic program which might be of interest to aspiring physicians who had little or no science as undergrads. </p>
<p>That looks amazing. I’ve always figured that if you don’t advanced science and math classes from the time you’re in high school, then you’re pretty much out of luck for med school. </p>
<p>while off the point of Mt. Sinai’s Hume program, a LOT of colleges have post-bac programs. (They are huge money makers.) Byrn Mawr is probably the most highly regarded, (and difficult acceptance).</p>
<p>Not true. It is only a minor part of what we look at in surgical residency. The letter from your chair and the “good old boy” phone call from someone we know is the most important factor. We see lots of kids who do great on MCATs and do terrible on their rotations and are ignored on their applications.</p>
<p>Plus this is change being seen by all medical schools (although most are not going quite as far with an advertised program). The science majors do not always make good holistic docs. It may be better to have a doc that can relate and talk to a patient than a science nerd.</p>
<p>Most schools have “special” slots for people with world experience. One of the best is the guy who is coming back from Iraq as a medic there. Their lack of “Organic” is irrelevant in their application.</p>
<p>That’s absolutely true. The fact that HuMeds do just as well as the rest of us traditional applicants means that you don’t need 32 weeks of orgo and physics to succeed - maybe it’s us traditional applicants who are wasting our time.</p>
<p>When I read about the 8-week program, I thought it was going to be like summer classes. In other words, kids at my school can take a full year of orgo and physics in 2, 5 week summer sessions (total of only 10 weeks). For example, I took physics, over the summer for 5 weeks, my prof told me that they will cover almost all the material that is thought during the regular school year. The material that was not covered, was offered in a series of optional lectures in the weekend. For labs we covered all the labs that students take during the normal school year, with the exception of 1 lab. The class averages for midterms/finals were no different than the class averages during the regular school year. So these summer sessions at my school are just as rigorous, if not more rigorous (simply because you have so little time to learn the material), as the classes during the regular school year. </p>
<p>But I made the mistake of assuming that this program was like a summer session based on what I read online.</p>
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<p>I wasn’t trying to “school” you. Sorry if it seemed that way. </p>
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Chill out. You were the one judging these the kids in the program by calling them all “lazy”, yet you don’t like it when people judge you.
Who are you to say that these kids aren’t hard working?</p>
<p>Thank you very much humanitites students (anthro and bio double major here) are very hard working. I’ve taken all my premed courses so far as well as upper level bio and humanities courses and I think people, premeds especially are very wrong about humanities majors. The way the studying and work is set up is different but I’ve put in as much time into my humanities courses as I have to my science courses. I think the biggest difference is that humanities programs aren’t cuthroat competitive like premed courses are in big universities. </p>
<p>And don’t go saying something about how I must be stupid or something to have to put so much energy into a humanities course. I have >3.8 GPA.</p>
<p>I agree. Most of my pre-med friends have the same stereotype of humanities majors. I took a upper level writing intensive humanities class last year and it was demanded so much of my time (more than my science classes), simply because there was so much work(reading and essays) involved. Most pre-meds who are majoring in the sciences take few if any upper level humanities classes, so they don’t realize the amount of work humanity students have to put in.</p>
<p>I know it’s many years off, but I might need to look into this. I hate a lot of the hard sciences (except bio, that wasn’t bad) but am fascinated by medicine, especially in the third world. I am a potential Comparative Politics and Cultures, IR, Sociology, or Anthropology major.</p>
In fact, I would not be surprised that the future MCATs may include history and philosophy as the 4th and 5th subjects. </p>