<p>While this is not as much as last year, when 61 Michigan alums were placed into the 2012 first year medical school class, it is a little higher than the average number of 50 placed in previous years. Currently, approximately 215 Michigan alums are enrolled in Michigan Medical School (54 annually), which is huge considering there are only 670 or so Medical students enrolled in the program at this time. Most elite universities place 10-15 alums in their own medical school annually. For example, from 1995-2011 (a 16 year span), WUSTL placed 207 alums in its medical program, or roughly 13 alums annually. Michigan has placed more in the last 4 years alone. Johns Hopkins currently has 65 alums enrolled in its medical school, or roughly 16 alums annually. Those are two of the largest premed schools in the nation relative to their size (20-25% of their undergraduate students are premed). This clearly shows Michigan Medical Schools commitment to the University's undergraduate applicants. This is not uncommon among elite universities, but Michigan definitely does a good job in this regard, providing a large number of its own students the opportunity to attend its top 10 Medical school. Also, given the selectivity of the University Michigan Medical School, it is likely that many more were admitted in other top ranked medical schools. </p>
<p>It’s not still they surprising that so many UM alums place well in it’s medical school, Alexandre, since many medical schools take a large chunk of their own undergraduates. </p>
<p>Get back at me when you find out how many UM alums have won the David Geffen Medical Scholarship ;)</p>
<p>How many UCLA student enrol at UCLA Medical School beyphy? I agree that most medical schools take a large chunk of their own undergrads, but Michigan alums represent 33% of the total medical student population. WUSTL and JHU have almost 500 medical students enrolled in their medical schools, but only 13-16 of their undergrads end up enrolling in their medical programs annually (15% of their respective total medical school population), compared to 54 at Michigan. </p>
<p>As for the David Geffen Medical Scholarship, isn’t that a UCLA-specific scholarship? From what I have seen from the placement of Michigan students into top medical schools, only 3-4 enrol into each program annually. Assuming that’s the number of Michigan students who enrol at the UCLA program, I doubt many of them have won the scholarship.</p>
<p>If memory serves, DGSOM accepts about 20% UCLA grads. That may not seem significant, but their acceptance rate is less than five percent I think, making it a fairly significant chunk of the student body. </p>
<p>But realize to Alexandre that the question of how many students enroll at a given medical school is also dependant on how many of their own students these medical schools accept.</p>
<p>Michigan has over twice as many premed applicants than WUSTL and JHU do. A lack of representation of their undergrads at their own medical schools could simply mean that they are more strict about taking their own undergrads than Michigan is. That wouldn’t be all that surprising. </p>
<p>And the reason I mentioned the DGMS was that it’s a full ride to UCLA med. School, making it one of the most competitive scholarships in the country. Since it’s completely merit based, and available to international students, it’s a good criterion for how well schools do in placing their graduates into top medical programs.</p>
<p>You are quite right beyphy, Michigan has approximately 3 times more premed students than JHU or WUSTL, yet Michigan places 4 times the number of its own students into its medical school than those two do in theirs. But those two universities are famous for their premed programs, while Michigan isn’t. At any rate, the point of this thread was not to make any claims based on the placement numbers, but rather, just to share the numbers with Michigan students (current or future) who may be interested in medical school.</p>
<p>I am familiar with the DGMS beyphy, but since only a handful of students from other universities enrol at the UCLA medical school annually, it is unlikely that you can draw an accurate conclusion based on the number of students from other universities who win that scholarship.</p>
<p>I think the point that Alexandre is making is that if someone chooses to attend Michigan as an undergraduate and does well in pre-med, he/she stands a decent chance to be admitted to the university’s top ten medical school.</p>
<p>Out of curiosity, do you have the average GPA/MCAT scores for individuals accepted to the UM med school? Are UM students given any advantage (supported by having strong, but possibly lower, GPA/MCATs?)</p>
<p>Patt1120, I do not think Michigan alums admitted into the medical school necessarily have lower GPAs or MCATs than those applying from other universities. I do think that the acceptance rate is higher (probably around 25% for Michigan alums vs 5% for applicants from other universities). I think it is just a question of preference to give Michigan alums priority.</p>
<p>True. But perhaps given Michigan’s alumni’s success as outlined in this thread, they might also enjoy favorable success with the DGMS. I’m sure I can count on you to let us know if they do :)</p>
<p>I don’t see how I can find data about Michigan alums that have won the DGMS. Michigan does not publish detailed medical school placement data (other than overall application statistics and Michigan Medical School numbers). I wish it did as it does law school admissions data. I was hoping you could provide us with UCLA Medical School admissions stats as I have for Michigan Medical School above.</p>
<p>Looking at data from 2007-2012, the amount of UCLA alums DGSOM takes is really variable from year to year. In 2012 it was as high as 20%, whereas in 2010, it was as low as 8%. However, in 2012 applicants were significantly down (only 50 in 2012 vs typically 150 in 2011, 2010, and 2009; and around 200 in 2008 and 2007)</p>
<p>The largest amount of students DGSOM took was around 25 students, but i’d say on average, it’s typically between 10-20 students.</p>
<p>edit: As i stated before, UCLA’s acceptance rate is less than 5%. This also makes it one of the med. schools with the lowest admissions rates in the country, as can be seen here:</p>
<p>Few UCLA alums are admitted or matriculate at the DGSOM. There are currently 56 UCLA alums enrolled at the DGSOM compared to 215 Michigan alums enrolled at the Michigan Medical school. That’s not unusual. Michigan is the one that seems to accept a disproportionate number of alums. Great for the alums, not so great for others!</p>
<p>An interesting topic…in there past there has been strong criticism of the umich medical school not accepting undergrads from umich…for example from the Michigan daily</p>
<p>This articles a few years old. Has the umich med school done a better job accepting its own undergrads in the past few years? Are there other ways to look at the numbers?</p>
<p>jack, I am not sure I ever heard of that criticism. It is probably a result of disgruntled applicants with a sense of entitlement. Michigan alums have long made up one third of the University of Michigan Medical School total population. You cannot ask for more. I have posted figures above. WUSTL and JHU, arguably two of the largest premed student bodies (relative to their size of course) place only 15 or so of their alums in their own medical programs. UCLA seems to have a similar placement figure of 15 or so annually. Michigan’s average of 50+ each year is clearly an outlier, which is why I started this thread. I have yet to see a medical school that enrols more than 25 of its own alums in its program annually, let alone 50 or 60. I am sure there are some that do, but they are the exception rather than the rule.</p>
<p>Alexandre, this year UCLA’s undergraduate admit rate to DGSOM was about five times what the admit rate for all applicants was (20% vs 4% respectively.) So you know what Michigan’s admit rate of it’s undergraduate students is compared to its overall admit rate? (I’ll all it to you about Duke as well if you’d like to answer it goldenboy. )</p>
<p>Beyphy, according to your link, the DGSOM admits between 8% and 14% of UCLA alums who applied between 2008 and 2012. I am not sure about the percentage of Michigan alums who are admitted into Michigan Medical School as Michigan does not publish those numbers. However, logic would dictate that Michigan Medical admits a higher percentage of Michigan alums than DGSOM admits of UCLA alums. My reasoning is based entirely on extrapolation of data. UCLA and Michigan have roughly the same number of alums applying to medical school overall, and I assume the same number of alums applying to their own medical program as well. And yet, the DGSOM admits only about 20 UCLA applicants annually compared to well over 50 Michigan alums that Michigan Medical School admits. Unless fewer UCLA alums apply to the DGSOM than Michigan alums apply to Michigan Medical, Michigan Medical admits a higher percentage of its alums than DGSOM.</p>
<p>Don’t get me wrong U of M is a great school and definitely am considering it! I just like Madisons’ liveliness over AA. Also, Madisons’ slight science ranking gives it an edge for me. If I was into engineering or business I would probably lean towards AA.</p>
<p>If you are premed, and assuming money is not a factor, Michigan makes better sense than Wisconsin, especially if you would like to attend Michigan medical school. The numbers seriously favor Michigan over Wisconsin. There are currently 215 Michigan alums enrolled in Michigan Medical school, compared to fewer than 10 Wisconsin alums. Michigan also places twice as many alums at Johns Hopkins and WUSTL medical schools. While I appreciate that you prefer Madison over Ann Arbor (personal preferences vary from person to person), the difference between those two college towns is truly insignificant and can be attributed to state government (Madison is the state capital, Ann Arbor is not). When it comes to quality of life and liveliness as far as undergrads are concerned, the two towns are very similar. Both are rated among the top 10 college towns according to most sources. Where Wisconsin has an advantage over Michigan is in cost of attendance. Wisconsin will typically cost OOS students $60k less than Michigan over 4 years.</p>