<p>Or at least in 2012, how many students from U of M were accepted to medical school, if that data is available? Also how does that compare to the same stat from other schools in the state/nation?</p>
<p>Here is the data about Michigan students applying to med school:</p>
<p>[2011</a> Medical School Application Statistics | Career Center](<a href=“http://careercenter.umich.edu/article/med/2011-medical-school-application-statistics]2011”>http://careercenter.umich.edu/article/med/2011-medical-school-application-statistics)</p>
<p>Michigan sends more students to Medical school each year than all but one or two universities. Not only does it matriculate a lot of students in medical school, it is also usually among the more well represented at top Medical school. For example, at JHU Medical School, WUSTL Medical School and Penn Medical School, Michigan is among the 10 most well represented universities. Obviously, at the University of Michigan Medical School, Michigan is far and away the most well represented institution. There are currently 211 (out of a total 670) University of Michigan alums enrolled at the University of Michigan Medical School. In other words, over 50 Michigan graduates enroll in Michigan Medical school annually. That is a very significant number considering that Michigan Medical school is one of the top 10 in the country.</p>
<p>15 MOST REPRESENTED UNIVERSITIES AT JHU MEDICAL (currently enrolled)
- Johns Hopkins, 74 alums
- Yale University, 40 alums
- Harvard University, 39 alums
- Stanford University, 23 alums
- University of California-Berkeley, 17 alums
- Cornell University, 16 alums
- Duke University, 14 alums
- Massachusetts Institute of Technology, 14 alums
- University of Maryland-College Park, 12 alums
- University of Michigan-Ann Arbor, 12 alums
- University of Pennsylvania, 12 alums
- University of Virginia, 11 alums
- Columbia University, 10 alums
- Dartmouth College, 9 alums
- University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill, 9 alums</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/sebin/u/p/SOMCatalog0910.pdf[/url]”>http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/sebin/u/p/SOMCatalog0910.pdf</a></p>
<p>15 MOST REPRESENTED UNIVERSITIES AT WUSTL (1995-2011)
- Washington University-St Louis, 207 alums
- Harvard University, 88 alums
- Duke University, 79 alums
- Stanford University, 72 alums
- University of California-Berkeley, 51 alums
- Northwestern University, 48 alums
- University of Michigan-Ann Arbor, 48 alums
- Cornell University, 46 alums
- Yale University, 46 alums
- University of Illinois-Urbana Champaign, 42 alums
- Princeton University, 41 alums
- Massachusetts Institute of Technology, 39 alums
- Brown University, 38 alums
- Johns Hopkins University, 38 alums
- University of California-Los Angeles, 36 alums
- University of Pennsylvania, 36 alums</p>
<p><a href=“http://medadmissions.wustl.edu/HowtoApply/selectionprocess/Pages/WhoChoosesWU.aspx[/url]”>http://medadmissions.wustl.edu/HowtoApply/selectionprocess/Pages/WhoChoosesWU.aspx</a></p>
<p>MOST WELL REPRESENTED UNIVERSITIES AT MICHIGAN MEDICAL (currently enrolled)
- University of Michigan-Ann Arbor, 211 alums
Although numbers are not conclusive, Duke, Harvard, Notre Dame, Stanford, UC-Berkeley, WUSTL and Yale all have between 10 and 20 alums currently enrolled. </p>
<p><a href=“http://www.med.umich.edu/medschool/admissions/apply/profiles.html[/url]”>http://www.med.umich.edu/medschool/admissions/apply/profiles.html</a>
<a href=“http://www.med.umich.edu/medschool/admissions/apply/profiles/profiles_2011.html[/url]”>http://www.med.umich.edu/medschool/admissions/apply/profiles/profiles_2011.html</a>
<a href=“http://www.med.umich.edu/medschool/admissions/apply/profiles/profiles_2010.html[/url]”>http://www.med.umich.edu/medschool/admissions/apply/profiles/profiles_2010.html</a>
<a href=“http://www.med.umich.edu/medschool/admissions/apply/profiles/profiles_2009.html[/url]”>http://www.med.umich.edu/medschool/admissions/apply/profiles/profiles_2009.html</a></p>
<p>Well considering we are bigger than most of those schools wouldn’t percentages be more accurate?</p>
<p>"Well considering we are bigger than most of those schools wouldn’t percentages be more accurate?</p>
<p>Not really. Schools like Duke are overwhelmingly pre-professional in their student bodies. As was stated by Alexandre, Michigan already sends more students to medical schools than almost any other university.</p>
<p>Not really ThisIsMichigan. We should either look at the absolute numbers, or at the total number of students who apply from each school to each of those programs. There are no specific figures for Medical school applications, but it is safe to say that a smaller percentage of Michigan students apply to Medical school that students from its smaller private peers. Obviously, the ratio of students from schools like Harvard and Stanford who go to top Medical schools will be greater than Michigan’s, but Michigan will probably hold its own against the likes of Cal, Cornell, Northwestern and Penn.</p>
<p>There might be a smaller percentage of the student body applying at Michigan as opposed to Harvard, but is that still a large number than Harvard.</p>
<p>What are the percentages of students that are looking to get into medical school that get in to a top school from places like Michigan, Harvard, etc</p>
<p>"There might be a smaller percentage of the student body applying at Michigan as opposed to Harvard, but is that still a large number than Harvard.</p>
<p>What are the percentages of students that are looking to get into medical school that get in to a top school from places like Michigan, Harvard, etc "</p>
<p>There is no data unfortunately, which was my point ThisISMichigan. If I were to estimate percentages, Michigan cannot compete with Harvard. Harvard is Harvard for a reason. I would guess that approximately 120-150 or so Michigan graduates matriculate in top 20 Medical schools annually (over a third of them at Michigan Medical school). Stanford and a couple other universities (Princeton and Yale perhaps) will also do a better job on a per student basis. But Michigan will likely be among the top 15 in terms of percentage placed in top medical schools, and the difference between say #7 and #25 in percentage place at top Medical school will not be significant.</p>
<p>A successful applicant to medical school from U of M will need to have a 3.6 GPA and a 30 on the MCAT at least. This is why I think it is a good idea to attend a smaller private school or an LAC instead for premed ambition. Successful Dartmouth premeds only need an average college GPA of 3.51 compared to Michigan’s 3.63.</p>
<p>As far as representation per applicant, I think only premeds from the Ivies, Stanford, Duke, MIT, and the top 10 LACs do better than Michigan premeds based on what Alexandre has posted above. UChicago actually does worse it seems hehe.</p>
<p>goldenboy, I was not including LACs. I agree with your assessment, although not all Ivies do better than Michigan. I would estimate that Brown, Dartmouth, Harvard, Princeton and Yale have a higher percentage placement in top medical schools, as do Duke, MIT and Stanford. But those are the only research universities that would have a percentage that is higher. Most of Michigan’s peers, including Columbia, Cornell, Emory, Johns Hopkins, Northwestern, Penn, UCLA, UVa, Vanderbilt and WUSTL will have similar placement ratios into top medical schools. Like I said, Michigan would probably be among the top 15 research universities in terms of percentage of premeds admitted in top Medical schools. It certainly holds its own. Those 8 or so research universities that place better than Michigan do so either because their students are significantly more gifted (HYPSM) or because their grading structure is slightly more conducing and/or their advising slightly more effective (Brown, Dartmouth and Duke).</p>
<p>Alexandre, are you sure Cornell doesn’t do better than Michigan on a per student basis? It’s about equally well represented at JHU and WashU. I’ve heard anecdotally that Cornell is extremely well populated at Columbia’s medical school as well as its own top 15 medical program.</p>
<p>In the end, it comes down to student ability and the possible benefits associated with surrounding yourself with the brightest peers. College names don’t get students into medical school</p>
<p>Cornell has almost as many premeds as Michigan. Last time I checked, Michigan had 750 premeds compared to Cornell’s 550. </p>
<p>“In the end, it comes down to student ability and the possible benefits associated with surrounding yourself with the brightest peers.”</p>
<p>A student’s own ability matters a great deal. That of his/her peers does not matter that much. A student does not have to attend a university where 100% of the students are geniuses to receive a good education. Even at a university with mediocre students, there will be more than a sufficient number of highly accomplished and supremely intelligent students to hang around with. It is fairly common for students of similar intellectual interest and ability to gravitate toward each other on any campus. </p>
<p>What universities that place many students in top graduate programs have in common are the opportunities required to develop skills that are valued by those graduate programs. In the case of premed students, that means having access to a very rigorous science curriculum, relevant research experience, opportunities to publish scientific work and hospital internships.</p>
<p>Are pre meds better off at top 20 universities where there is more competition and risk of being weeded out since all the students are overachievers and brilliant OR at a honors program of an average state flagship where they have no risk of being weeded out and a guaranteed GPA of 3.8+?<br>
Are they better off at a known GPA inflation university? Should they even consider attending a known GPA deflation university?</p>
<p>If you’re worried about getting weeded out early, then Medicine isn’t the right path for you. There should be no backdoor to get an MD-you have to be able to compete with the best if you want to join the ranks of the most respected profession.</p>
<p>Alexandre, the number of medical school applicants is easily identifiable through AMCAS itself. Here are the number of applicants from some prominent schools in 2012:
<a href=“https://www.aamc.org/download/321446/data/2012factstable2-1.pdf[/url]”>https://www.aamc.org/download/321446/data/2012factstable2-1.pdf</a></p>
<p>University of Michigan-Ann Arbor: 812
University of California-Berkeley: 768
Cornell University: 478
Johns Hopkins University: 364
Duke University: 360
Stanford University: 316
Harvard University: 307
University of Pennsylvania: 341
Yale: 232
Princeton: 167
Dartmouth: 164
University of Chicago: 148</p>
<p>While Cornell has a large pre-med population, the difference in application numbers between it and Michigan is still not negligible. We are talking about Michigan having almost 350 more applicants here.</p>
<p>
Almost 20-25% of every incoming class at Duke Medical School is composed of Duke undergraduates. There were 40 of them this year.
[Duke</a> undergraduates have an edge in admission to Duke professional schools | The Chronicle](<a href=“http://www.dukechronicle.com/articles/2013/04/01/duke-undergraduates-have-edge-admission-duke-professional-schools]Duke”>http://www.dukechronicle.com/articles/2013/04/01/duke-undergraduates-have-edge-admission-duke-professional-schools)</p>
<p>So basically, you want to attend a school with a decent level of grade inflation, a top-notch hospital nearby that provides lots of clinical opportunities without a lot of undergrads competing from them, preferential treatment into one’s own medical school, and great advising.</p>
<p>Only Harvard, Yale, Duke, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Wash U. in St. Louis and possibly Brown/Dartmouth (their medical schools aren’t that elite though) offer the most desirable combination.</p>
<p>Small correction on Alexandre’s excellent information regarding JHU med school matriculants: Princeton with 12 students in 2009-10 got dropped from the list (should be even with U Michigan).</p>