Ability to Pay and other trends in admissions

[BCEagle91]

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<p>Whereas you only lack the patience. Come on, dismissing someone’s
thought and then saying you can’t be bothered to show your work is
the cheapest kind of cheap shot. Who really belongs at the children’s
table here? </p>

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<p>Would you care to try to write a paragraph on what this sentence means and whether or not it is valid? Would you then care to critique it?</p>

<p>[College is a luxury that society has placed a high importance on AND thankfully has supported funding to make it possible, to the highest degree of quality as possible, for as many people as possible and especially for the highest low-income achievers.]</p>

[BCEagle91]

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<p>With all due respect, and perhaps off topic, I think the stories of “minority grants”
are exaggerated, UNLESS there is also pretty significant demonstrated need. I have
yet to see one that does not have a need based component.</p>

<p>Of course I would LOVE it if someone proves me wrong! </p>

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<p>There is a category of SURF internships aimed at URMs and women. Take a look at the pictures of participants and they are mostly URMs. I’ve looked at many internships and have seen many with preference categories: CC students, women, URMs.</p>

<p>How about the Gates Millennium?</p>

[BCEagle91]

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<p>Oh, for heaven’s sake. This is way out of line. </p>

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<p>This is an internet discussion forum. What I wrote is true. Get over it.</p>

[GA2012MOM]

<p>You have to be Pell Grant eligible for Gates.</p>

<p>Edit: Where did the post by Shrinkrap go?</p>

[nightchef]

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Would you care to try to write a paragraph on what this sentence means and whether or not it is valid? Would you then care to critique it?

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<p>Why should I defend or critique the paragraph? I’m not the one who dismissed it with an insult. My point is that if you want to have your cake and eat it too by declaring someone else’s thinking “full of holes” without putting your own thinking on the line for others to poke holes in, then the least you can do is be civil about it.</p>

[Keilexandra]

<p>BCEagle - I was responding to an example made by mythmom that involved Mercedes. Perhaps my own post was unclear, in which case I apologize and let us begin again with the same starting parameters–or not, since you clearly only wish to show off your O-so-adult intelligence and life experience, without actually putting that greater “ability to do complex analysis” to use. I have been wowed by the reasoning abilities of many adult posters on CC; I’ve also been flabbergasted by the reasoning abilities or lack thereof of many adults. I have no opinion as to where you fall on that spectrum, nor do you likely care about the opinion of a mere high school student. But I will say, regardless of whether you care, that civility is a valuable attribute in any type of discussion, including “an internet discussion forum.”</p>

<p>Perhaps my previous statement, which you seem to regard as so utterly fallacious, attempts to combine too many ideas in one sentence. I’m far from a master rhetor. But snide insults to my intelligence and my personal preference for an LAC are irrelevant.</p>

<p>Also… PLEASE let’s not derail this thread into LAC vs. university. Please. I will gladly debate that topic in PMs or in an thread with a more relevant OP.</p>

[BCEagle91]

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<p>Why should I defend or critique the paragraph? I’m not the one who dismissed
it with an insult. My point is that if you want to have your cake and eat it too
by declaring someone else’s thinking “full of holes” without putting your own
thinking on the line for others to poke holes in, then the least you can do is
be civil about it. </p>

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<p>I was quite civil about it.</p>

<p>Your response is a real hoot.</p>

[jym626]

<p>Any bowlers out there?? Big scholarship $$ available for bowlers. See: US Bowling Congress Scholarships</p>

[jym626]

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Edit: Where did the post by Shrinkrap go?

Good Q Ga2012mom. I was off looking for some of the minority scholarships she asked about when I got sidetracked by the bowling one. Oh well, back to work for meeee.</p>

[SlitheyTove]

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This is an internet discussion forum.

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<p>Yes, and a moderated one. With rules. From the TOS for CC:</p>

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Courtesy. At College Confidential, we expect discussion to be courteous even when disagreement may be vigorous. When writing your messages, please use the same courtesy that you would show when speaking face-to-face with someone. Flames, insults, and personal attacks will not be tolerated. It’s fine to disagree with opinions, ideas, and facts, but always with respect for the other person.</p>

<p>General Behavior. Our forum is expected to be a friendly and welcoming place, and one in which members can post without their motives, intelligence, or other personal characteristics being questioned by others. .

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[BCEagle91]

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<p>or not, since you clearly only wish to show off your O-so-adult
intelligence and life experience, without actually putting that
greater “ability to do complex analysis” to use. I have been
wowed by the reasoning abilities of many adult posters on CC;
I’ve also been flabbergasted by the reasoning abilities or lack
thereof of many adults.</p>

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<p>You are free to go through my posting history. You’ll find that I
have CIS and CS degrees. One course typically required in CS programs
is Discrete Strucutures or Discrete Mathematics. Read Rosen’s book
on the subject and you’ll understand what I mean about the paragraph
that you wrote.</p>

[BCEagle91]

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<p>When writing your messages, please use the same courtesy that you
would show when speaking face-to-face with someone.</p>

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<p>Check.</p>

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<p>Flames,</p>

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<p>No flames from me.</p>

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<p>insults, and personal attacks will not be tolerated. It’s fine to
disagree with opinions, ideas, and facts, but always with respect for
the other person.</p>

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<p>Please post where I insulted anyone or made a personal attack.</p>

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<p>General Behavior. Our forum is expected to be a friendly and welcoming
place, and one in which members can post without their motives,
intelligence, or other personal characteristics being questioned by
others. .</p>

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<p>I made a general statement about my feelings, correct?</p>

[Keilexandra]

<p>^Yes, I know of the difference between discrete and continuous mathematics. I have never applied the distinction to argument, however. Your suggestion to read a textbook is impractical.</p>

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@BCEagle91

> Your condescension is neither constructive nor polite, or even </p>

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<p>particularly witty.</p>

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<p>Something that I find annoying is high-school students that try
to talk to adults at what they think are adult levels. They lack
life experience and the ability to do complex analysis.</p>

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<p>Please do poke holes in my logic, though; I am always glad to
improve my reasoning skills if proved wrong,</p>

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<p>I will let some college professor try to teach you in a small
LAC setting.

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<p>Lack of overt @#$% insults does not equal civility. I hope that any observer, following the context of this discussion, would be able to perceive your veiled personal attacks on my intelligence based on my publicly given age and my preference for an LAC which you seem to think coddling (the reasoning behind said preference is more than academic and will not be detailed here, PM if you’re really that interested). I haven’t bothered to scroll back to quote the “children’s table” reference. Perhaps you would make such a reference if speaking to me face-to-face, but it would certainly be construed as an insult.</p>

[PaperChaserPop]

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Something that I find annoying is high-school students that try
to talk to adults at what they think are adult levels. They lack
life experience and the ability to do complex analysis.

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<p>This reminds me of a Chinese poem. Roughly translated:</p>

<p>Youth knows not the taste of sorrow
Eagerly stepping up
Eagerly stepping up
Sorrow must my poem be</p>

<p>Now, having tasted them all
What should I say?
What should I say?
“What a nice cool autumn day!”</p>

[jym626]

<p>I have a feeling we aren’t talking about cost of college attendance and FA any more…</p>

[BCEagle91]

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<p>^Yes, I know of the difference between discrete and continuous
mathematics. I have never applied the distinction to argument,
however. Your suggestion to read a textbook is impractical.</p>

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<p>Are you a college student and have you done any research?</p>

<p>I often go into research databases to look for information related to
forum discussions or research papers that I believe are in error. If
I feel strongly about a forum topic, and a textbook is referenced,
I will see if it is online or if it’s available at a univeristy
library within 50 miles.</p>

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<p>I hope that any intelligent observer, following the context of this
discussion, would be able to perceive your veiled personal attacks on
my intelligence based on my publicly given age and my preference for
an LAC which you seem to think coddling (the reasoning behind said
preference is more than academic and will not be detailed here, PM if
you’re really that interested).</p>

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<p>~ > wc a.txt
1 63 376 a.txt</p>

[blossom]

<p>Simmer down folks.</p>

<p>Keil- I think what set some folks off is the implicit criticism that somehow the Canadian educational system is superior. If that is the case- and since you are a Canadian you would be in a position to know- then you should attend a Canadian university. If that’s not the case- or if somehow there are certain things about the Canadian system that are superior (like its relatively low cost) and others that are inferior (like the lack of options beyond the top tier large universities) then you would gain a lot of friends on this board by conceding that although the US system is not 100% perfect, by and large the system of public/private support, tax incentives for charitable donations, tax payer supported public U’s, Land Grant colleges, ROTC, GI Bill, church endowed/sponsored colleges and universities, etc. has resulted in an extremely varied and robust set of choices.</p>

<p>Not every kid in the US can access every single choice. Sometimes it’s lack of parental funds. Sometimes its a poor HS record. Sometimes its just an accident of birth- some states have higher quality flagship public U’s than others, and some high quality publics cost less than their neighboring states with an inferior system. And sometimes a kid wants to study something that is not available close by, or readily available, or has a parent who can afford full freight but is undergoing chemo so needs the college kid to live at home, commute to a CC for a year, and help take care of younger children.</p>

<p>Indeed, none of this is fair. But there are lots and lots of choices for college, and for an industrious HS kid who is willing to compromise and work hard, there are usually lots of ways to get a college education.</p>

[rocket6louise]

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<p>well…i’m sorry if I lack the life experience to hold a conversation with an adult. I guess I’ll go back to the kiddie table and be seen and not heard. Especially when discussing an issue that directly affects the next four years( or more) of my life. I only filled out FA paperwork myself, did all my apps, and all my research myself. But clearly, because I haven’t been on this planet for more than 30 or more years, I MUST not know what I’m talking about. I didn’t know life experience was necessary to navigate this proces and form an opinion on it.</p>

<p>Yes, at the end of the day, we are discussing OPINIONS…not facts…but…like you said…I"m not an adult…so mine just doesn’t count</p>

[jym626]

<p>^^^ well said, blossom (as usual). A side comment about wanting to study something not available at one’s state U… There are several regional consortiums of schools that have a reciprocity agreement to accept students into programs not available at the closer or other state’s school. Problem was, some students were gaming the system, declaring intent to pursue major X in order to be accepted into an neighboring State U at their instate rate and also perhaps at a school they might otherwise not be admitted to. Then, after a yr or 2 they suddenly change majors to something else, a major that would have been readily available at their home school. I believe these loopholes are being addressed, but everyone is sensitive to someone trying to get something that they either arent truly entitled to, or that potentially takes an opportunity away from someone else. </p>

<p>Ok, back to the regularly scheduled bickering…</p>

[BCEagle91]

<p>I think that the way to address it is to go back and charge for the previous years. I haven’t checked the New England Consortium “Tuition Break” program in a while but I think that they have that mechanism in place.</p>