Ability to Pay and other trends in admissions

<p>The specific circumstances of my Canadian-ness mean that I really don’t know whether the Canadian educational system is superior/inferior, other than from an American perspective. I mentioned my nationality solely in connection with prior criticisms/accusations of “socialism.” I agree entirely that</p>

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<p>but I wasn’t aware that was particularly relevant to the thread.</p>

<p>BCEagle, I’m not in a position to rush out to the (excellent) nearby uni library to pick up a book on discrete mathematics for a forum discussion where I haven’t yet been convinced of how discrete mathematics is pertinent. One hopes that this debate wouldn’t last for a week, the minimum amount of time it would take me to get to said low-priority research task. I do have a life outside of CC.</p>

<p>Anyhow, I have little more to contribute to the OP and will be leaving this thread. Available by PM as always.</p>

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<p>There’s always MIT OCW. But their materials are terse.</p>

<p>^^ (re: post 240) And what if they can’t afford to pay the back tuition? What if their HS performance would have made it unlikely they would have qualified for admission to the school inthe firstplace, if they hadnt gotten in through the reciprocity arrangement? Should they get the boot?</p>

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<p>They go to transcript hell.</p>

<p>My question was serious, BCEagle. Lets say the kid at the end of soph yr decides to declare a major that isnt part of the “accepted” consortium agreement. Do they (a) have to major in what they said they would at the time of admission (kids change their majors all the time) (b) be restericted to picking a major that is not available at their home school, (c) transfer back to their home school if they want to major in English instead of animal husbandry and (d) do they have to repay the first school the balance between in/OOS tuition in order for their grades to be released back to their home school?</p>

<p>Keil: I don’t remember mentioning Mercedes, but perhaps I did. At any rate, I stand with you on your side of the argument, though I don’t understand why there is an argument.</p>

<p>There seems to be free floating anger and hostility.</p>

<p>If I get the gist of what posters are saying, even though I work hard, two jobs, and my husband works, the fact that we have had reversals in his business that necessitated putting our college money (saved enough to send both through privates) back into the business means that:</p>

<p>I should know “my place” and take my available funds and send my kids to instate public colleges.</p>

<p>I am being somehow uppity or scamming or gaming the system because both kids excelled and did get FA at need-blind schools that allowed them to attend for just over the cost of the public when there was one attending and just under when there were two.</p>

<p>I don’t understand the reasoning here, since these were private funds extended by the colleges in question which did suit my children better than our instate publics.</p>

<p>In fact, I could argue that by doing this I saved the tax payers of NYS monies that could be made available to other students or could minimize the continual tuition increases at the public.</p>

<p>I certainly don’t see how my actions affect anyone negatively.</p>

<p>My kids and I certainly did not feel entitled to FA (see above about savings), and we were grateful for it. </p>

<p>There were schools that preferred to give money to needier students and those that didn’t feel my kids were worth the investment (kids got rejected at schools with much lower stats that ones where they were accepted.) So be it. Those schools made there choices.</p>

<p>I will always be thrilled that my H’s faux pas in his business did not cost his children the education they had been working toward for many years. And I feel especially grateful that each was accepted at their number one choice. Just worked out that way.</p>

<p>I would not disparage flagships, other state schools, CC’s, merit scholarships, outside scholarships in any way, nor would I disparage the student with wealthy grandparents who can pay his way.</p>

<p>I had back-up and contingency plans (some impractical like selling a kidney – a joke) and some more practical.</p>

<p>I do think in an ideal world each student would attend the school where s/he would learn the most about him/herself and about the world. As many posters point out, this isn’t an ideal world. Indeed. But I see no harm in trying to get as close to that standard as possible.</p>

<p>As for high school students and their logic, I am very impressed with the high students on this thread even though it is sometimes difficult to match their passion.</p>

<p>As for the comment that we have a sliding scale at publics now, at the CC I teach at the millionaires kids study at the same deeply discounted rate as the recent immigrant and the kid who has two parents in jail. The millionaire’s tuition does not begin to pay for his/her child’s education, and I have yet to hear why that isn’t reprehensible to posters who find FA for low income folks somehow unfair.</p>

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<p>I looked it up. If they change majors, they are charged full OOS rates into the future. There is no clawback.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.nebhe.org/info/pdf/programs/TuitionBreak/2010-11_Tuition_Break_Undergraduate_Catalog.pdf[/url]”>http://www.nebhe.org/info/pdf/programs/TuitionBreak/2010-11_Tuition_Break_Undergraduate_Catalog.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>My comment was based on what I’ve seen at my son’s school in terms of FA.</p>

<p>I don’t see this at the local Community Colleges but perhaps this is due to the benefits of current and past tax policies that take care of most of the costs of community college.</p>

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<p>Presumably the millionaire pays far more in taxes than the costs of education.</p>

<p>Putting Community Colleges in wealthy areas may be a salve to all the taxes that they pay. Everyone likes a little bribe or discount.</p>

<p>"Edit: Where did the post by Shrinkrap go? "</p>

<p>Sorry jym626! I thought it was really off topic. But let me know if you find something that doesn’t need “need”! </p>

<p>OTOH, maybe what I’m sharing my impression of a trend in admissions that aside from the outreach, and visits are there suggests being a URM alone doesn’t get you the same things as being a URM in NEED. I know folks around here suggests so many “beni’s” come from being a URM, but I have only found this to be true if there is need as well. I suppose that’s the way it should be, but I still think it’s information that should be out there.</p>

<p>^^^ Sorry, shrinkrap, I got too sidetracked by the tangentsI took myself on looking at ridiculous and weird scholarships. Gotta get back to work!!</p>

<p>“There is a category of SURF internships aimed at URMs and women. Take a look at the pictures of participants and they are mostly URMs. I’ve looked at many internships and have seen many with preference categories: CC students, women, URMs.”</p>

<p>BCEagle91, I don’t understand how to think about the “preference catagory”. I goggled SURF and found something at Columbia, but didn’t see anything about preference categories. Surely I can’t use pictures to determine preference! People often post there are “many” but I can never find them, unless they are also need based. And Pell need is pretty hard core!</p>

<p>This is one site I’ve used
<a href=“http://www.blackexcel.org/100minority.htm[/url]”>http://www.blackexcel.org/100minority.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>and my sorority circulates info about others, but all I have seen, have an element of need.</p>

<p>[SURF</a> Program UROP Boston University](<a href=“http://www.bu.edu/urop/surf/]SURF”>http://www.bu.edu/urop/surf/)</p>

<p>[CELEST</a> Summer 2010 Program](<a href=“http://cns.bu.edu/CELEST/workingwithCELEST/summerprogram.html]CELEST”>http://cns.bu.edu/CELEST/workingwithCELEST/summerprogram.html)
[Department</a> of Biomedical Engineering - NSF Research Experiences for Undergraduates](<a href=“Worcester Polytechnic Institute (WPI)”>Worcester Polytechnic Institute (WPI))</p>

<p>[MIT</a> ODGE: MIT Summer Research Program (MSRP)](<a href=“http://web.mit.edu/odge/undergraduate/msrp/index.html]MIT”>http://web.mit.edu/odge/undergraduate/msrp/index.html)
[MIT</a> Department of Biology: Summer Research Internships and College Outreach](<a href=“http://mit.edu/biology/www/outreach/summer_research/undergraduates.html]MIT”>http://mit.edu/biology/www/outreach/summer_research/undergraduates.html)</p>

<p>Thank you! These all look like research opportunities! Is that what we are talking about?</p>

<p>[HEA/SSP:</a> Solar REU](<a href=“http://helio.cfa.harvard.edu/REU/]HEA/SSP:”>http://helio.cfa.harvard.edu/REU/)
[DMS</a> / Diversity / Summer Honors Undergraduate Research Program (SHURP)](<a href=“http://www.hms.harvard.edu/dms/diversity/shurpintro.html]DMS”>http://www.hms.harvard.edu/dms/diversity/shurpintro.html)
[Dana-Farber/Harvard</a> Cancer Center: CURE Program](<a href=“http://www.dfhcc.harvard.edu/center-initiatives/iecd/student-training/cure-program/]Dana-Farber/Harvard”>http://www.dfhcc.harvard.edu/center-initiatives/iecd/student-training/cure-program/)
[Dept</a> of MCB, Harvard U: Graduate Programs - Programs of Study](<a href=“http://www.mcb.harvard.edu/Outreach/SummerInternship/]Dept”>http://www.mcb.harvard.edu/Outreach/SummerInternship/)</p>

<p>Excellent post, mythmom. Everybody’s financial situation has a story behind it, and I suspect that far fewer of those stories involve people simply “spending beyond their means” on luxuries than some seem to think.</p>

<p>Yes. We were talking about scholarships or preferences for URMs but research internships are a way to make money and get experience at the same time. It was also something that I have recent familiarity with. I was searching for internships in Massachusetts and ran into a bunch of them for URMs or with preferences for URMs and women. I would guess that these exist in other regions of the country too.</p>

<p>Some programs are for URMs only. Some programs are for everyone but they give preference to URMs and/or women.</p>

<p>Okay, I will keep these in mind.( I don’t suppose you happened upon one for a budding journalists? My guess is those are not historically under-represented…) Around here, opportunities like that, at least for high school, seem to be based on need. Same is true for almost all the “URM preference” scholarships I’ve heard about. You will notice this if you look at the ones in the link I posted.</p>

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<p>I know zilch about journalism (major, courses, schools).</p>

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<p>My son’s school has a huge page of scholarships but there are only a few targeted to specific minorities. There are some merit scholarships but they have very specific requirements. There were legal rulings by SCOTUS on college admissions on using race a while ago and I think that colleges had various responses to that ruling. Perhaps scholarships moved towards income and assets for scholarships given that legal environment.</p>